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You can’t give someone only two options, one less bad, then claim there was a free choice made.
by pkulak 2y ago
You can’t give someone only two options, one less bad, then claim there was a free choice made.
- wtcactus 2y agoYes, getting into prison after you committed a crime and were condemned for it, is usually not a free choice.
- s1artibartfast 2y agoTotally agree. Once you are in prison, choosing to work or not is a free choice.
- dragonwriter 2y ago> Once you are in prison, choosing to work or not is a free choice. It is literally not in California (though which work, within bounds that differ by prisoner, may be), and California this year defeated a ballot proposition which would have made your claim true.
- wtcactus 2y agoThe free choice is to whether commit or not the crime that puts you in prison. After that, until you pay your debt to society, the free choices are over.
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- bdangubic 2y agoThirteenth Amendment, Section 1: “Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, EXCEPT as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”
- s1artibartfast 2y agoIn the context of firefighting, my understanding it is entirely voluntary and selective as well
- s1artibartfast 2y agoSure you can. That is every choice in life.
- pkulak 2y agoWhen you're put in prison, your "freedom is taken". We use that language for a reason. It's what happens, it's intentional, and I used to think everyone understood what it meant. Choices in prison are not the same as "every choice in life".
- s1artibartfast 2y agoI don't disagree with what you said, but I don't think that supports the conclusion above. Trade-offs are different in all sorts of situations. All choices in life have consequence. The fact that one is better than the other does not negate anything or create slavery
- pkulak 2y agoSo nothing can be slavery if there's any choice at all? By that logic slavery can never exist, because any slave can chose not to work and be killed, kill themselves, run, etc. At some point you have to draw a line and say, there is choice, but there's not enough choice to say it's not slavery.
- s1artibartfast 2y agoSure. I think for the case of firefighting, where there is no punishment or consequences whatsoever, it is an easy call.