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> Any healthcare system must deny healthcare. No healthcare system existing anywhere on this planet provides infinite healthcare to everyone. Denying healthcare

by tivert 2y ago

> Any healthcare system must deny healthcare. No healthcare system existing anywhere on this planet provides infinite healthcare to everyone. Denying healthcare is not violence. It is when the care is necessary; when the denial is part of a strategy to goose profits. There are similar issues with the other statements you made. > Frankly, your comment strikes me as exceedingly naive. Frankly, your comment strikes me as willfully blind.

xyzzyz 2y ago
> It is when the care is necessary So when the insurance denies coverage, and so the doctors don't work for free on the case, and the patient dies, are the doctors perpetrating violence too?
- tivert 2y ago
  In your contrarian urge to defend some of the worst of the status quo, you forget the insurance company's whole role is to pay for medical care. I suggest you read up on this. IIRC, it was UHG's practice to deny claims indiscriminately to increase the personal burden of accessing medical care. Because, you know, if people pay their premiums to the company but it doesn't pay out, it makes lots more money for the shareholders. It's weird how you seem to consistently elide motivations even when extremely relevant.
  - comp_throw7 2y ago
    An insurance company's "role" is to distribute risk, not to "pay for medical care" without question. The perversion of what constitutes "insurance" in the US medical industry is the fault of our legal system and tax code, and the insane cost of medical care (which is ultimately the root cause of most of these problems) is down to the medical cartel (also legally enforced).
    - kaibee 2y ago
      > The perversion of what constitutes "insurance" in the US medical industry is the fault of our legal system and tax code The ACA's public option was killed by a Senator who had a lot Health Insurance industry backing and support.
- oneeyedpigeon 2y ago
  > are the doctors perpetrating violence too? No, the politicians who insist on keeping this medieval practice in place are.
ars 2y ago
> It is when the care is necessary; when the denial is part of a strategy to goose profits. Denying claims does NOT increases profits, in the US it actually decreases them. Read more here if you like: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42642405 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42642405

by tivert 2y ago

xyzzyz 2y ago

> It is when the care is necessary So when the insurance denies coverage, and so the doctors don't work for free on the case, and the patient dies, are the doctors perpetrating violence too?

tivert 2y ago
In your contrarian urge to defend some of the worst of the status quo, you forget the insurance company's whole role is to pay for medical care. I suggest you read up on this. IIRC, it was UHG's practice to deny claims indiscriminately to increase the personal burden of accessing medical care. Because, you know, if people pay their premiums to the company but it doesn't pay out, it makes lots more money for the shareholders. It's weird how you seem to consistently elide motivations even when extremely relevant.
- comp_throw7 2y ago
  An insurance company's "role" is to distribute risk, not to "pay for medical care" without question. The perversion of what constitutes "insurance" in the US medical industry is the fault of our legal system and tax code, and the insane cost of medical care (which is ultimately the root cause of most of these problems) is down to the medical cartel (also legally enforced).
  - kaibee 2y ago
    > The perversion of what constitutes "insurance" in the US medical industry is the fault of our legal system and tax code The ACA's public option was killed by a Senator who had a lot Health Insurance industry backing and support.
oneeyedpigeon 2y ago
> are the doctors perpetrating violence too? No, the politicians who insist on keeping this medieval practice in place are.

ars 2y ago

> It is when the care is necessary; when the denial is part of a strategy to goose profits. Denying claims does NOT increases profits, in the US it actually decreases them. Read more here if you like: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42642405 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42642405