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bamboozled 2y ago
I believe this is nice, but how do regular people actually find the time to care about this stuff? If you have kids, bills, a job, listen to crap from politicians all day, where do you find the time to be this empathetic. My kids school gives them milk as part of lunch, my kid likes milk now. You have to live in a very special world to get around this. I was a vegetarian for a while, I was mostly starving hungry and I had to spend hours a day cooking and eating to feel full. It's a shit situation but yeah, it's the way it is for many people.
- mongol 2y ago
  > listen to crap from politicians all day This part I recently decided I will stop doing. It will not be easy and I may fail, but I think my mood requires it.
  - bamboozled 2y ago
    It's pretty bleak, I agree. I'm concerned regular people are going to be more and more trampled on in the near future.
  - doublerabbit 2y ago
    It's easy, first step just stop watching the news. There is no FOMO or if you really need your dosage keep it to end of the week roundup. Because in reality there is nothing you can do. You can't have a shot of vodka with Putin and ask him to stop war. You can't stop Twitter and Elon from raging, nor can you can't Isreal. What you can stop is giving these puppets headspace time and hold compassion to those who are involved in the conflicts.
    - mindslight 2y ago
      Don't you want to watch before the end of the week roundup? To know if you need to lay low?
      - doublerabbit 2y ago
        Either, I wake up dead, wake up conscripted or wake up in to another shite day of the same of what happened yesterday. Anything else? I'm sure I will be told by my peers.
- 2muchcoffeeman 2y ago
  The western idea of making things better for animals often involves abstinence. Which is unpalatable if you are a meat eater. The messaging should be to reduce your meat consumption. By reported national averages, I eat 25% of the meat eaten by the average Australian. And I don’t feel that I’m missing out.
  - bamboozled 2y ago
    Yeah, we eat vegetarian / vegan every second night.
- Klonoar 2y ago
  > I was mostly starving hungry What? Vegetarian doesn't necessarily mean you lose all sources of animal protein, there's no real reason to be starving on the diet.
  - bamboozled 2y ago
    I guess it's not eating flesh, but it's still causing a lot of harm is what I'm hearing. In our family, we eat vegetarian every second night. Basically vegan 3/4 nights a week. However I do find myself running to the fridge for cheese or a whey protein shake for desert quite often.
  - maxbond 2y ago
    It's pretty common for would-be vegetarians to be "carbotarians" and fail to feed themselves properly because they simply don't know any better and eat primarily bread and pasta. I also had this experience of being a ravenous carbotarian, but my roommates were all vegetarians and taught me. If you don't know vegetarians, look to athletes and home chefs for advice. Tl;Dr combine a grain with a legume at least once a day to obtain a full protein. Beans and rice is a good staple, for example (but to reduce exposure to arsenic you should parboil the rice[1] as well as rotate through some other staples). Put peanut butter or peanut protein powder in stir fries, put hummus in your sandwiches, eat eggs, etc. And, I know it sounds obvious, but it's a reminder I needed, do actually eat vegetables. It's not difficult but if you've eaten meat your whole life you may need to change some habits, because you have more room to get away with a poor diet if you're eating meat. [1] https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-say-this-rice-cooking-hack-removes-arsenic-but-keeps-the-nutrients https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-say-this-rice-cookin...
    - bamboozled 2y ago
      Cooking a stake, is a lot easier than making a curry is kind of where it gets tricky for me. For now I make a chicken sandwich for lunch, take like 5-10 minutes, fills me up, what do I do as a vegetarian. I love the idea of it, I just think that being a vegetarian can be a luxury and takes more time for some people, especially who have larger frames and appetites.
- jhanschoo 2y ago
  As the other commenter, some differential resistance that's within your capacity should be sufficient. Eating proportionately less sends a signal to the supply chain, which adapts to such signals. Comparatively, you can imagine being vegetarian to be extremely easy in, say, India; because the supply chain is built to support such a diet. (Of course, vegetarianism in India is likely to still mete lot of animal suffering as well.)
- doublerabbit 2y ago
  > listen to crap from politicians all day, where do you find the time to be this empathetic. Swap those two. Stop listening to politicians. It's not empathy you require, it's compassion. Empathy is very tiring.
- perfmode 2y ago
  A first step is to no longer eat meat for pleasure or for recreation. If needed, just eat it for nutrition. Could you imagine if the whole world took this incremental step?

bamboozled 2y ago

I believe this is nice, but how do regular people actually find the time to care about this stuff? If you have kids, bills, a job, listen to crap from politicians all day, where do you find the time to be this empathetic. My kids school gives them milk as part of lunch, my kid likes milk now. You have to live in a very special world to get around this. I was a vegetarian for a while, I was mostly starving hungry and I had to spend hours a day cooking and eating to feel full. It's a shit situation but yeah, it's the way it is for many people.

mongol 2y ago
> listen to crap from politicians all day This part I recently decided I will stop doing. It will not be easy and I may fail, but I think my mood requires it.
- bamboozled 2y ago
  It's pretty bleak, I agree. I'm concerned regular people are going to be more and more trampled on in the near future.
- doublerabbit 2y ago
  It's easy, first step just stop watching the news. There is no FOMO or if you really need your dosage keep it to end of the week roundup. Because in reality there is nothing you can do. You can't have a shot of vodka with Putin and ask him to stop war. You can't stop Twitter and Elon from raging, nor can you can't Isreal. What you can stop is giving these puppets headspace time and hold compassion to those who are involved in the conflicts.
  - mindslight 2y ago
    Don't you want to watch before the end of the week roundup? To know if you need to lay low?
    - doublerabbit 2y ago
      Either, I wake up dead, wake up conscripted or wake up in to another shite day of the same of what happened yesterday. Anything else? I'm sure I will be told by my peers.
2muchcoffeeman 2y ago
The western idea of making things better for animals often involves abstinence. Which is unpalatable if you are a meat eater. The messaging should be to reduce your meat consumption. By reported national averages, I eat 25% of the meat eaten by the average Australian. And I don’t feel that I’m missing out.
- bamboozled 2y ago
  Yeah, we eat vegetarian / vegan every second night.
Klonoar 2y ago
> I was mostly starving hungry What? Vegetarian doesn't necessarily mean you lose all sources of animal protein, there's no real reason to be starving on the diet.
- bamboozled 2y ago
  I guess it's not eating flesh, but it's still causing a lot of harm is what I'm hearing. In our family, we eat vegetarian every second night. Basically vegan 3/4 nights a week. However I do find myself running to the fridge for cheese or a whey protein shake for desert quite often.
- maxbond 2y ago
  It's pretty common for would-be vegetarians to be "carbotarians" and fail to feed themselves properly because they simply don't know any better and eat primarily bread and pasta. I also had this experience of being a ravenous carbotarian, but my roommates were all vegetarians and taught me. If you don't know vegetarians, look to athletes and home chefs for advice. Tl;Dr combine a grain with a legume at least once a day to obtain a full protein. Beans and rice is a good staple, for example (but to reduce exposure to arsenic you should parboil the rice[1] as well as rotate through some other staples). Put peanut butter or peanut protein powder in stir fries, put hummus in your sandwiches, eat eggs, etc. And, I know it sounds obvious, but it's a reminder I needed, do actually eat vegetables. It's not difficult but if you've eaten meat your whole life you may need to change some habits, because you have more room to get away with a poor diet if you're eating meat. [1] https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-say-this-rice-cooking-hack-removes-arsenic-but-keeps-the-nutrients https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-say-this-rice-cookin...
  - bamboozled 2y ago
    Cooking a stake, is a lot easier than making a curry is kind of where it gets tricky for me. For now I make a chicken sandwich for lunch, take like 5-10 minutes, fills me up, what do I do as a vegetarian. I love the idea of it, I just think that being a vegetarian can be a luxury and takes more time for some people, especially who have larger frames and appetites.
jhanschoo 2y ago
As the other commenter, some differential resistance that's within your capacity should be sufficient. Eating proportionately less sends a signal to the supply chain, which adapts to such signals. Comparatively, you can imagine being vegetarian to be extremely easy in, say, India; because the supply chain is built to support such a diet. (Of course, vegetarianism in India is likely to still mete lot of animal suffering as well.)
doublerabbit 2y ago
> listen to crap from politicians all day, where do you find the time to be this empathetic. Swap those two. Stop listening to politicians. It's not empathy you require, it's compassion. Empathy is very tiring.
perfmode 2y ago
A first step is to no longer eat meat for pleasure or for recreation. If needed, just eat it for nutrition. Could you imagine if the whole world took this incremental step?