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I said nothing about "densification." This whole diatribe is in your mind. My original point was about there being a well-documented shortage of housing acro

I said nothing about "densification." This whole diatribe is in your mind. My original point was about there being a well-documented shortage of housing across the country. You can argue against it if you like but just look foolish. You point at few absolute price decreases which is true but don't take into account multiple variables (like population increases, inflation, tax policy) or understand higher order derivatives. In which case you've got no business arguing in these threads.

cyberax 2y ago
> My original point was about there being a well-documented shortage of housing across the country. Can you point out the shortage on this graph: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=1koDH https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=1koDH ? We do NOT have a housing crisis. Not even close. Housing is more affordable and of better quality than ever. We have a DENSITY crisis. People are forced by economic forces to move to relatively few unaffordable locations. > You point at few absolute price decreases which is true but don't take into account multiple variables (like population increases, inflation, tax policy) or understand higher order derivatives. In which case you've got no business arguing in these threads. What "higher order derivatives"? I read most of the new research on urbanist policy. And so far everything I've seen confirms what I said.
- mixmastamyk 2y ago
  Yes, black is white, ignorance is strength. Freedom is slavery. Just stop. I’m not gonna “research” 1+1 for you.
  - cyberax 2y ago
    I gave you an actual link to the data. Sorry for destroying your whole world view, but "economy 101" is not enough to describe the complexities of the real world. And it's not like I'm saying anything controversial. Even urbanists admit that density increases don't lead to lower prices: https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2023/4/26/upzoning-might-not-lower-housing-costs-do-it-anyway https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2023/4/26/upzoning-might...

cyberax 2y ago

> My original point was about there being a well-documented shortage of housing across the country. Can you point out the shortage on this graph: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=1koDH https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=1koDH ? We do NOT have a housing crisis. Not even close. Housing is more affordable and of better quality than ever. We have a DENSITY crisis. People are forced by economic forces to move to relatively few unaffordable locations. > You point at few absolute price decreases which is true but don't take into account multiple variables (like population increases, inflation, tax policy) or understand higher order derivatives. In which case you've got no business arguing in these threads. What "higher order derivatives"? I read most of the new research on urbanist policy. And so far everything I've seen confirms what I said.

mixmastamyk 2y ago
Yes, black is white, ignorance is strength. Freedom is slavery. Just stop. I’m not gonna “research” 1+1 for you.
- cyberax 2y ago
  I gave you an actual link to the data. Sorry for destroying your whole world view, but "economy 101" is not enough to describe the complexities of the real world. And it's not like I'm saying anything controversial. Even urbanists admit that density increases don't lead to lower prices: https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2023/4/26/upzoning-might-not-lower-housing-costs-do-it-anyway https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2023/4/26/upzoning-might...