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why complain when we can just stop using facebook?

drumhead 2y ago
Seems like the most productive option.
tokioyoyo 2y ago
To my understanding, all the efforts to get people of Facebook/IG and others have failed, so people stopped preaching that. So we either have to get people addicted to something else (like TikTok but with even more dopamine hits) or keep complaining about it. Anyone who wanted to get out has already done so. Others are stuck or have to use it for various reasons.
- mmooss 2y ago
  The problem is quitting and saying it's hopeless, the standard response from a certain political grouping to lots of problems.
  - tokioyoyo 2y ago
    It’s been more than a decade since people started trying to get others off Facebook. It clearly hasn’t worked.
    - mmooss 2y ago
      > It’s been more than a decade since people started trying to get others off Facebook. It clearly hasn’t worked. That's called "quitting". It hasn't worked yet, and people widely began the quitting years ago, so it's not going to work until they actually work hard with commitment, passion, creativity, confidence. If they don't do that, if they don't believe in it, certainly nobody else will. And look how you've derailed the actual work. Instead of talking about how to solve the problem, we're talking about whether we should quit like you have - a conversation that accomplishes absolutely nothing for anyone. Who invited you to this meeting?
      - tokioyoyo 2y ago
        Fair, I totally get your point and I’m definitely a part of the problem. But I operate in a way that if something doesn’t work for a given period of time (like asking people to quit FB products because X, Y, Z reasons), I move on from that idea. We’re clearly a tiny minority, if you look at their userbase.
        mmooss 2y ago
        Lots of minorities have eventually persuaded majorities to follow them - that's how most of history works. A few people think something up - it's not like 60% of the country have the same novel idea at the same time. > if something doesn’t work for a given period of time (like asking people to quit FB products because X, Y, Z reasons), I move on from that idea. Those minorities didn't succeed on their first attempt - possibly that has never happened. You should move on from the idea, and try another idea. Do not abandon the goal; lots of first iterations and second ones and nth ones fail. That's how success works, almost every time. There is no success in anything without all those failures. The quote displays the victim perspective that is guaranteed to end in failure. The idea didn't fail, you did; you failed to make it work, to find the right idea, the right language, the right whatever. The idea and the outcome isn't the weather, something that happens to you. You are the agent, the mover and shaker, or your will certainly fail.
        tokioyoyo 2y ago
        Yeah, I failed, I moved on and have different goals in my life. That's nature of life. Getting people off social media wasn't important enough to me to pursue it in a longer term. Most people I know who were anti social media are in their 30s now, they share stuff on Instagram, are part of school parental school groups of FB and etc. It's kinda hard without it as well, because if you're not part of those groups you just never hear about half of the group-based events. It is what it is, oh well.
        mmooss 2y ago
        Yes, that's why it isn't happening. It's not that it's hopeless; it's that many people quit and, here, even mock responsibility or seriousness. In a democracy, if you and I don't do it, nobody will. If you are in your 30s, it's on you. There's no cavalry; there's nobody coming to the rescue; it's your country. If you don't fix the problem, you'll have the consequences.

Seems like the most productive option.

To my understanding, all the efforts to get people of Facebook/IG and others have failed, so people stopped preaching that. So we either have to get people addicted to something else (like TikTok but with even more dopamine hits) or keep complaining about it. Anyone who wanted to get out has already done so. Others are stuck or have to use it for various reasons.

mmooss 2y ago
The problem is quitting and saying it's hopeless, the standard response from a certain political grouping to lots of problems.
- tokioyoyo 2y ago
  It’s been more than a decade since people started trying to get others off Facebook. It clearly hasn’t worked.
  - mmooss 2y ago
    > It’s been more than a decade since people started trying to get others off Facebook. It clearly hasn’t worked. That's called "quitting". It hasn't worked yet, and people widely began the quitting years ago, so it's not going to work until they actually work hard with commitment, passion, creativity, confidence. If they don't do that, if they don't believe in it, certainly nobody else will. And look how you've derailed the actual work. Instead of talking about how to solve the problem, we're talking about whether we should quit like you have - a conversation that accomplishes absolutely nothing for anyone. Who invited you to this meeting?
    - tokioyoyo 2y ago
      Fair, I totally get your point and I’m definitely a part of the problem. But I operate in a way that if something doesn’t work for a given period of time (like asking people to quit FB products because X, Y, Z reasons), I move on from that idea. We’re clearly a tiny minority, if you look at their userbase.
      - mmooss 2y ago
        Lots of minorities have eventually persuaded majorities to follow them - that's how most of history works. A few people think something up - it's not like 60% of the country have the same novel idea at the same time. > if something doesn’t work for a given period of time (like asking people to quit FB products because X, Y, Z reasons), I move on from that idea. Those minorities didn't succeed on their first attempt - possibly that has never happened. You should move on from the idea, and try another idea. Do not abandon the goal; lots of first iterations and second ones and nth ones fail. That's how success works, almost every time. There is no success in anything without all those failures. The quote displays the victim perspective that is guaranteed to end in failure. The idea didn't fail, you did; you failed to make it work, to find the right idea, the right language, the right whatever. The idea and the outcome isn't the weather, something that happens to you. You are the agent, the mover and shaker, or your will certainly fail.
        tokioyoyo 2y ago
        Yeah, I failed, I moved on and have different goals in my life. That's nature of life. Getting people off social media wasn't important enough to me to pursue it in a longer term. Most people I know who were anti social media are in their 30s now, they share stuff on Instagram, are part of school parental school groups of FB and etc. It's kinda hard without it as well, because if you're not part of those groups you just never hear about half of the group-based events. It is what it is, oh well.
        mmooss 2y ago
        Yes, that's why it isn't happening. It's not that it's hopeless; it's that many people quit and, here, even mock responsibility or seriousness. In a democracy, if you and I don't do it, nobody will. If you are in your 30s, it's on you. There's no cavalry; there's nobody coming to the rescue; it's your country. If you don't fix the problem, you'll have the consequences.