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> trusting that killed immunocompromised grandma too. This is the sort of stuff that I was referring to above. It sounds shocking and plausible, but at the end

> trusting that killed immunocompromised grandma too. This is the sort of stuff that I was referring to above. It sounds shocking and plausible, but at the end of the day, if you flatly ask someone "would you like a 10% chance to die from covid (being a grandma), or would you like (some lower %) chance to die to prevent it", then why not try?

micka32123 2y ago
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sethammons 2y ago
What if you ask them, instead, "would you like a 1% chance of dying of covid (being a healthy male under 40) or an unknown chance at an unknown reaction that may include myocarditis from a new treatment?", then why do it? For a while, this was what those around me were saying. It was much, much later that covid itself was associated with even more myocarditis than the vaccine.
- exe34 2y ago
  > unknown chance for values of "unknown chance" well under 1 in 100,000. you sound like the same kind of American who prefers the quarter pounder to the third pounder because 4 > 3.
  - sethammons 2y ago
    I know four very negative covid vaccine reactions and zero covid anythings aside from two people saying it was the sickest they have ever felt. I don't know 100k people. Make up any stat that makes you feel smug to throw shade at my math skills. From my personal, lived experience, you can't say the sky ain't blue.
    - exe34 2y ago
      Yes, anecdotes trump population studies any day. You really are dumb.
      - bavell 2y ago
        Or perhaps the studies are flawed? (you know, what this whole thread is about?)
        exe34 2y ago
        yes the studies are flawed, because you know four cases yourself. that's exactly how studies are proven to be flawed. get your head out of your arse.
ajsnigrutin 2y ago
No, the question is, do you 'trust the science', the quote from the director of cdc: > And we have -- we can kind of almost see the end. We`re vaccinating so very fast, our data from the CDC today suggests, you know, that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don`t get sick, and that it`s not just in the clinical trials but it`s also in real world data. ...and the visit grandma, who cannot get vaccinated (immunocompromised), because you're vaccinated, and don't carry the virus and don't get sick? Or are you one of those 'conspiracy theorists' who say "the vaccinated are carrying the virus, even if you're vaccinated, you'll still get sick and kill grandma"?

micka32123 2y ago

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sethammons 2y ago

What if you ask them, instead, "would you like a 1% chance of dying of covid (being a healthy male under 40) or an unknown chance at an unknown reaction that may include myocarditis from a new treatment?", then why do it? For a while, this was what those around me were saying. It was much, much later that covid itself was associated with even more myocarditis than the vaccine.

exe34 2y ago
> unknown chance for values of "unknown chance" well under 1 in 100,000. you sound like the same kind of American who prefers the quarter pounder to the third pounder because 4 > 3.
- sethammons 2y ago
  I know four very negative covid vaccine reactions and zero covid anythings aside from two people saying it was the sickest they have ever felt. I don't know 100k people. Make up any stat that makes you feel smug to throw shade at my math skills. From my personal, lived experience, you can't say the sky ain't blue.
  - exe34 2y ago
    Yes, anecdotes trump population studies any day. You really are dumb.
    - bavell 2y ago
      Or perhaps the studies are flawed? (you know, what this whole thread is about?)
      - exe34 2y ago
        yes the studies are flawed, because you know four cases yourself. that's exactly how studies are proven to be flawed. get your head out of your arse.

ajsnigrutin 2y ago

No, the question is, do you 'trust the science', the quote from the director of cdc: > And we have -- we can kind of almost see the end. We`re vaccinating so very fast, our data from the CDC today suggests, you know, that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don`t get sick, and that it`s not just in the clinical trials but it`s also in real world data. ...and the visit grandma, who cannot get vaccinated (immunocompromised), because you're vaccinated, and don't carry the virus and don't get sick? Or are you one of those 'conspiracy theorists' who say "the vaccinated are carrying the virus, even if you're vaccinated, you'll still get sick and kill grandma"?