For containers, we have Kubernetes, which OK can be a pain in its own right, but at least we're almost all in it together. For VMs, we have lots of choices. But

For containers, we have Kubernetes, which OK can be a pain in its own right, but at least we're almost all in it together. For VMs, we have lots of choices. But, how do you manage them both with one pane of glass or APIs? Aye, there's the rub.