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> These corporations are shipping literal rootkits to people. Same applies to products such as CrowdStrike and similar stuff which in my opinion might be even

> These corporations are shipping literal rootkits to people. Same applies to products such as CrowdStrike and similar stuff which in my opinion might be even worse (Anticheat rootkits at least provide some real value.. I’m not really an expert in corporate IT so I might be wrong). In both cases their users perceive that this software provides some direct or indirect value to them. Is it so hard to believe that some people might value the opportunity to play online games with less cheaters than retaining the control of their PCs? Would it be better if same software was running on strictly controlled devices like game consoles? If so what if some people treat their PCs effectively as mainly specialized gaming devices? > start defending corporations Let’s not get silly.. what makes you think I’m doing that? I’m merely pointing out that the world is not necessarily black and white and there is some space for nuance.

matheusmoreira 2y ago
> Is it so hard to believe that some people might value the opportunity to play online games with less cheaters than retaining the control of their PCs? Hard to believe? Absolutely. This issue is just like privacy. It's one of those important issues where people not only refuse to care but actually look down on you as a loony if you do. They will suddenly start caring a lot when the corporations are fully entrenched and start exploiting them for profit. The problem is by that point there will be nothing they can do about it. They gave up control of the machines to play games. They will not be able to do a thing when the machines start extracting profit out of them. They are no longer in control. > Would it be better if same software was running on strictly controlled devices like game consoles? For some interpretations of "better". Consoles are a huge waste. They are all perfectly good computers which could do so much more. At least dedicated gaming machines at least keep the damage contained. I said this in my original comment. > If so what if some people treat their PCs effectively as mainly specialized gaming devices? I have no trouble believing Windows users think that way. If you use Windows, it's because you do not care. I seriously doubt someone who cared enough about computers to install and learn Linux will enjoy watching his omnipotent general purpose system get turned into a glorified gaming appliance just because corporations aren't happy about the fact he could theoretically use the system's immense power against them. > Let’s not get silly.. what makes you think I’m doing that? The words "moral right" gave me that impression. What gives these corporations the moral right to tell me what I can or can't do on my computer? The whole idea is comical. If I want to cheat, I will cheat. They can only hope that I choose not to. That's a truth they just need to accept. If they won't we'll make them accept it.
- wqaatwt 2y ago
  > it's because you do not care. I personally do it mainly because I don’t want to be associated with certain types of loud ideological fundamentalists and zealots. I might occasionally use Linux or even BSD in private without telling anyone but certainly not where anyone can see, don’t want other people to think I’m a loon.. > What gives these corporations the moral right to tell me what I can or can't do on my computer? Nobody and they obviously don’t have that right. Or are game dev company executives literally forcing you to install and play their game?
sadeshmukh 2y ago
You're elevating games to the level of security software. Isn't it an issue that a game is literally policing your entire system? If you had any passwords, or literally anything else, they can take it. This is about as far as a "trade off" can go.
- matheusmoreira 2y ago
  > If you had any passwords, or literally anything else, they can take it. They have done it before. https://www.vice.com/en/article/fs-labs-flight-simulator-password-malware-drm/ https://www.vice.com/en/article/fs-labs-flight-simulator-pas... Shipped a browser stealer to users and exfiltrated data on an unencrypted channel. https://old.reddit.com/r/Asmongold/comments/1cibw9r/valorant_now_takes_screenshots_of_your_pc/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Asmongold/comments/1cibw9r/valorant... https://www.unknowncheats.me/forum/anti-cheat-bypass/634974-vanguard-taking-screenshot-pc.html https://www.unknowncheats.me/forum/anti-cheat-bypass/634974-... Screenshots your computer screen and exfiltrates the picture to their servers. Trusting these game companies is a huge mistake.
- wqaatwt 2y ago
  > elevating And I shouldn’t have the right to do that because? I don’t really play any competitive online games but I’d certainly rather install anti-cheat software than garbage like Crowdstrike if I was forced to choose. Anyway different people have different preferences, it’s their business.

matheusmoreira 2y ago

> Is it so hard to believe that some people might value the opportunity to play online games with less cheaters than retaining the control of their PCs? Hard to believe? Absolutely. This issue is just like privacy. It's one of those important issues where people not only refuse to care but actually look down on you as a loony if you do. They will suddenly start caring a lot when the corporations are fully entrenched and start exploiting them for profit. The problem is by that point there will be nothing they can do about it. They gave up control of the machines to play games. They will not be able to do a thing when the machines start extracting profit out of them. They are no longer in control. > Would it be better if same software was running on strictly controlled devices like game consoles? For some interpretations of "better". Consoles are a huge waste. They are all perfectly good computers which could do so much more. At least dedicated gaming machines at least keep the damage contained. I said this in my original comment. > If so what if some people treat their PCs effectively as mainly specialized gaming devices? I have no trouble believing Windows users think that way. If you use Windows, it's because you do not care. I seriously doubt someone who cared enough about computers to install and learn Linux will enjoy watching his omnipotent general purpose system get turned into a glorified gaming appliance just because corporations aren't happy about the fact he could theoretically use the system's immense power against them. > Let’s not get silly.. what makes you think I’m doing that? The words "moral right" gave me that impression. What gives these corporations the moral right to tell me what I can or can't do on my computer? The whole idea is comical. If I want to cheat, I will cheat. They can only hope that I choose not to. That's a truth they just need to accept. If they won't we'll make them accept it.

wqaatwt 2y ago
> it's because you do not care. I personally do it mainly because I don’t want to be associated with certain types of loud ideological fundamentalists and zealots. I might occasionally use Linux or even BSD in private without telling anyone but certainly not where anyone can see, don’t want other people to think I’m a loon.. > What gives these corporations the moral right to tell me what I can or can't do on my computer? Nobody and they obviously don’t have that right. Or are game dev company executives literally forcing you to install and play their game?

sadeshmukh 2y ago

You're elevating games to the level of security software. Isn't it an issue that a game is literally policing your entire system? If you had any passwords, or literally anything else, they can take it. This is about as far as a "trade off" can go.

matheusmoreira 2y ago
> If you had any passwords, or literally anything else, they can take it. They have done it before. https://www.vice.com/en/article/fs-labs-flight-simulator-password-malware-drm/ https://www.vice.com/en/article/fs-labs-flight-simulator-pas... Shipped a browser stealer to users and exfiltrated data on an unencrypted channel. https://old.reddit.com/r/Asmongold/comments/1cibw9r/valorant_now_takes_screenshots_of_your_pc/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Asmongold/comments/1cibw9r/valorant... https://www.unknowncheats.me/forum/anti-cheat-bypass/634974-vanguard-taking-screenshot-pc.html https://www.unknowncheats.me/forum/anti-cheat-bypass/634974-... Screenshots your computer screen and exfiltrates the picture to their servers. Trusting these game companies is a huge mistake.
wqaatwt 2y ago
> elevating And I shouldn’t have the right to do that because? I don’t really play any competitive online games but I’d certainly rather install anti-cheat software than garbage like Crowdstrike if I was forced to choose. Anyway different people have different preferences, it’s their business.