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Now immediately flagged off the front page.

jorts 2y ago
It’s on the front page for me.
freitasm 2y ago
That's why following HN from a RSS feed is invaluable. You get to see everything, even the things groupthink filters out.
- freedomben 2y ago
  Indeed. Some of the most interesting stories on HN never make it past the initial filter. I've seen great posts slip by in obscurity only to get hundreds of votes and hit the front page weeks or months later. There's a lot indeterminism in what makes it to the front page(s) and what doesn't.
- PeterHolzwarth 2y ago
  Keep in mind this wonderful alternate HN front-send site - it's pretty much taken over for me vs hitting HN's main page: https://hckrnews.com/ https://hckrnews.com/ This site displays the posted links in chronological order which means stuff that suddenly got booted off the front page still shows up.
  - oidar 2y ago
    That's what I use as well. I wish I could find a good iOS client that supports that style of chronological, but front page posts.
- kergonath 2y ago
  There’s quite a lot of trash flagged for very good reasons, though. I cannot keep up with the full feed.
  - sundaeofshock 2y ago
    I can usually power through the RSS feed pretty quickly. My reader shows only titles, so I swipe on a lot of stuff that doesn’t seem relevant. I can then take my time with the good stuff.
anotherhue 2y ago
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/21810-it-is-difficult-to-get-a-man-to-understand-something https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/21810-it-is-difficult-to-ge...
- dang 2y ago
  Whose salary in this case?
  - anotherhue 2y ago
    I was cheekily implying that the well paid Facebook developers flagged this article as it forces them to confront the issue that their employer is generally a bad actor, and their employment contributes to that. Hardly a new take but I think this being flagged so quickly is a concerning problem.
    - dang 2y ago
      I'll confess to taking it personally; apparently I still need to work on that! Don't know if you saw my other post about this, but the flagging behavior looked normal to me. I didn't see any patterns in the flagging history of those users, such as flagging posts about FB or some political position.
      - anotherhue 2y ago
        > the flagging behavior looked normal to me I believe it, I think it's clear tensions are high on these topics. I appreciate what you do to keep us all in check so please forgive any offense my teasing caused.
        dang 2y ago
        Nothing to forgive, but thanks for the kind reply.
consumer451 2y ago
Sometimes things I post get flagged by users and I get it, fair enough. This time I can only think of malicious reasons. The only people who I can imagine flagging this post are Meta PR, or users who are bringing their politics into a non-political post. If anyone has any other reasonable explanations, I would love to hear them. Looks like the title was edited, original title: Facebook Is Censoring 404 Media Stories About Facebook's Censorship
- dang 2y ago
  I didn't see any such pattern in the data. It was flagged by quite a few users, none of whom showed any obvious pattern like affiliation with a company or a political slant. (Edit: I mean none of the ones I looked at. There were too many to look at them all.) We can only guess why users flag things. In this case, I don't have a good guess, other than that the article title is baity, so I replaced it with more neutral language from the subtitle, and (partly) rolled back the flags. The flaggers may be correct, in any case, because this thread is noticeably terrible.
  - consumer451 2y ago
    Thanks for looking into it. And yeah, I thought that this topic would have garnered a better discussion.
    - spencerflem 2y ago
      I'm surprised you'd think that - Facebook moderation changes and the same tired back and forth about 'free speech' have been some of the worst threads for me.
  - mixmax 2y ago
    my guess would be that it's because you have to sign up to read the article.
    - consumer451 2y ago
      That's actually a fair point. The good thing is that archive.is works on their site now.

It’s on the front page for me.

That's why following HN from a RSS feed is invaluable. You get to see everything, even the things groupthink filters out.

freedomben 2y ago
Indeed. Some of the most interesting stories on HN never make it past the initial filter. I've seen great posts slip by in obscurity only to get hundreds of votes and hit the front page weeks or months later. There's a lot indeterminism in what makes it to the front page(s) and what doesn't.
PeterHolzwarth 2y ago
Keep in mind this wonderful alternate HN front-send site - it's pretty much taken over for me vs hitting HN's main page: https://hckrnews.com/ https://hckrnews.com/ This site displays the posted links in chronological order which means stuff that suddenly got booted off the front page still shows up.
- oidar 2y ago
  That's what I use as well. I wish I could find a good iOS client that supports that style of chronological, but front page posts.
kergonath 2y ago
There’s quite a lot of trash flagged for very good reasons, though. I cannot keep up with the full feed.
- sundaeofshock 2y ago
  I can usually power through the RSS feed pretty quickly. My reader shows only titles, so I swipe on a lot of stuff that doesn’t seem relevant. I can then take my time with the good stuff.

anotherhue 2y ago

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/21810-it-is-difficult-to-get-a-man-to-understand-something https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/21810-it-is-difficult-to-ge...

dang 2y ago
Whose salary in this case?
- anotherhue 2y ago
  I was cheekily implying that the well paid Facebook developers flagged this article as it forces them to confront the issue that their employer is generally a bad actor, and their employment contributes to that. Hardly a new take but I think this being flagged so quickly is a concerning problem.
  - dang 2y ago
    I'll confess to taking it personally; apparently I still need to work on that! Don't know if you saw my other post about this, but the flagging behavior looked normal to me. I didn't see any patterns in the flagging history of those users, such as flagging posts about FB or some political position.
    - anotherhue 2y ago
      > the flagging behavior looked normal to me I believe it, I think it's clear tensions are high on these topics. I appreciate what you do to keep us all in check so please forgive any offense my teasing caused.
      - dang 2y ago
        Nothing to forgive, but thanks for the kind reply.

consumer451 2y ago

Sometimes things I post get flagged by users and I get it, fair enough. This time I can only think of malicious reasons. The only people who I can imagine flagging this post are Meta PR, or users who are bringing their politics into a non-political post. If anyone has any other reasonable explanations, I would love to hear them. Looks like the title was edited, original title: Facebook Is Censoring 404 Media Stories About Facebook's Censorship

dang 2y ago
I didn't see any such pattern in the data. It was flagged by quite a few users, none of whom showed any obvious pattern like affiliation with a company or a political slant. (Edit: I mean none of the ones I looked at. There were too many to look at them all.) We can only guess why users flag things. In this case, I don't have a good guess, other than that the article title is baity, so I replaced it with more neutral language from the subtitle, and (partly) rolled back the flags. The flaggers may be correct, in any case, because this thread is noticeably terrible.
- consumer451 2y ago
  Thanks for looking into it. And yeah, I thought that this topic would have garnered a better discussion.
  - spencerflem 2y ago
    I'm surprised you'd think that - Facebook moderation changes and the same tired back and forth about 'free speech' have been some of the worst threads for me.
- mixmax 2y ago
  my guess would be that it's because you have to sign up to read the article.
  - consumer451 2y ago
    That's actually a fair point. The good thing is that archive.is works on their site now.