I'm also not trying to make a metaphysical point. I'm trying to get at why you think it doesn't count. I was poking at your argument to try and get at what you

I'm also not trying to make a metaphysical point. I'm trying to get at why you think it doesn't count. I was poking at your argument to try and get at what you really think, because I think the argument you made was too shallow to be the real deal. > By contrast, science can make synthetic insulin for example. Can it? Afaik all insulin is completely organic in nature. We still fully rely on existing life to create insulin. Not to dissimilar from IVF actually. > IVF still relies on the human reproductive machinery to produce the gametes and gestate the baby. You’re still using human reproductive machinery to do 99% of the work. Right and with insulin the bacterium performs 99.9% of the work. Yet, there you don't have a problem of calling it technology. So that's why I asked the very clear question. What is the threshold for you?