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> I wonder if this means we’re going to see a TV/home console with Steam OS soon. They existed, and they didn't really take off: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

> I wonder if this means we’re going to see a TV/home console with Steam OS soon. They existed, and they didn't really take off: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_Machine_(computer) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_Machine_(computer). But it was 10 years ago, things are different today

ryao 2y ago
The steam deck is a steam machine.
jsheard 2y ago
Notably the Steam Machines didn't have any equivalent to Proton, they could only run native Linux games out of the box. Needless to say that didn't work out.
- paxys 2y ago
  Proton is a wrapped/enhanced version of Wine, which has been a thing forever. A large chunk of the Steam library worked perfectly fine on Linux before Proton.
  - vanviegen 2y ago
    ... for modest values of "fine". Compatibility, stability and performance have improved immensely the last couple of years, for a large part thanks to Valve!
    - jsheard 2y ago
      Yeah, WINE may have been around forever but its development was massively accelerated by Valve dumping truckloads of money on CodeWeavers to have them work on fixing games full-time. Plus neither of the two most popular anti-cheat solutions worked in WINE at all until Valve lobbied them to support it.
  - yourboirusty 2y ago
    It wasn't nearly as streamlined though. Average person wants to just click play on Steam, which is the biggest thing proton brought to the table.
  - Vt71fcAqt7 2y ago
    >A large chunk of the Steam library worked perfectly fine on Linux before Proton. Source? My recollection was that it didn't. Wine had awful direct x translation, I'm not sure if it could do dx11 at all when the steam machine came out. DXVK is a proton project and without it few games could actually run at all.
    - coldpie 2y ago
      > Wine had awful direct x translation That's not fair. Vulkan didn't exist when the original Steam Machines launched. Wine's Direct3D implementation also had different goals than the DXVK project, such as supporting macOS, older hardware, and non-gaming DirectX uses.
      - AndrewDucker 2y ago
        It doesn't matter what's fair. It's whether it worked or not that counts. It didn't, now it does. That's an awesome positive step.
        coldpie 2y ago
        I don't think it's good to be rude about other peoples' work without a really good reason :)
      - Vt71fcAqt7 2y ago
        Sure, but GP's claim was that the statement "Notably the Steam Machines didn't have any equivalent to Proton" is false.

ryao 2y ago

The steam deck is a steam machine.

jsheard 2y ago

Notably the Steam Machines didn't have any equivalent to Proton, they could only run native Linux games out of the box. Needless to say that didn't work out.

paxys 2y ago
Proton is a wrapped/enhanced version of Wine, which has been a thing forever. A large chunk of the Steam library worked perfectly fine on Linux before Proton.
- vanviegen 2y ago
  ... for modest values of "fine". Compatibility, stability and performance have improved immensely the last couple of years, for a large part thanks to Valve!
  - jsheard 2y ago
    Yeah, WINE may have been around forever but its development was massively accelerated by Valve dumping truckloads of money on CodeWeavers to have them work on fixing games full-time. Plus neither of the two most popular anti-cheat solutions worked in WINE at all until Valve lobbied them to support it.
- yourboirusty 2y ago
  It wasn't nearly as streamlined though. Average person wants to just click play on Steam, which is the biggest thing proton brought to the table.
- Vt71fcAqt7 2y ago
  >A large chunk of the Steam library worked perfectly fine on Linux before Proton. Source? My recollection was that it didn't. Wine had awful direct x translation, I'm not sure if it could do dx11 at all when the steam machine came out. DXVK is a proton project and without it few games could actually run at all.
  - coldpie 2y ago
    > Wine had awful direct x translation That's not fair. Vulkan didn't exist when the original Steam Machines launched. Wine's Direct3D implementation also had different goals than the DXVK project, such as supporting macOS, older hardware, and non-gaming DirectX uses.
    - AndrewDucker 2y ago
      It doesn't matter what's fair. It's whether it worked or not that counts. It didn't, now it does. That's an awesome positive step.
      - coldpie 2y ago
        I don't think it's good to be rude about other peoples' work without a really good reason :)
    - Vt71fcAqt7 2y ago
      Sure, but GP's claim was that the statement "Notably the Steam Machines didn't have any equivalent to Proton" is false.