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We go for the vibe not the facilities

by celticninja 2y ago

yieldcrv 2y ago
And more people are satisfied with the vibes at the better facilities
- dns_snek 2y ago
  Have you ever been to a rave? I've never seen a fight break out at a rave, but I've seen plenty in clubs. The levels of self-absorbed, inconsiderate, and assholish behavior are usually excruciatingly high at clubs, and tolerably low at raves.
  - quchen 2y ago
    I've never seen a fight at a club. At this one big (80k) festival in northeast lake region Germany neither. In my experience, fighting and aggression are caused mainly by, in decreasing order of importance, alcohol, cocaine, crammed+overfilled spaces. Then a very long gap before bullies and such appear on the list.
  - Earw0rm 2y ago
    Almost like ecstasy and cocaine/alcohol mix have different effects on the human brain and body...
- celticninja 2y ago
  Those are the people that would not be satisfied with the vibe and would actually detract from it, if they didn't like the facilities. But sure you go mass appeal and you get a manufactured mass appeal vibe, which on the scale of rave vibes is a 3 or 4 and the scale is exponential. If you don't know you don't know but it's worth checking it out if you can.
  - throwway120385 2y ago
    Above & Beyond throw some pretty huge weekenders and the vibe in those giant expensive festivals is pretty good. Swiffer guy not withstanding.
- jjk166 2y ago
  [Citation Needed]
neom 2y ago
I agree, I was surprised to read "real raves don't happen in legal venues" - first time I've heard that line of thinking. Been raving for 20 years and here is what a rave means to me: very dancy music, electronic of some type (doesn't need to be pure edm), no judgements, kindness, love, good energy. I'd argue this is unsurprising given where the idea of a rave came from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_Tests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_Tests to me, rave is about PLUR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PLUR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PLUR
- hmcq6 2y ago
  > no judgements "No judgements" is not something I would attribute to legal venues. I mean there are SOOOOOOOO many clubs with dress codes, and that's just scratching the surface. It is my understanding that rave culture evolved out of the 90's illegal party scene which grew from the 80's acid house music scene. But even if you take it from the Acid Tests that would mean the parties were only legal for a year and have been illegal for nearly 60 years. To some a rave is just any party, to me it refers to the event being a grassroots operation. For the people, by the people and which is usually done on the cheap because artists aren't usually rolling in dough. To each their own though. I'm not gonna police your use of the word (unless you publish it apparently).

We go for the vibe not the facilities

yieldcrv 2y ago

And more people are satisfied with the vibes at the better facilities

dns_snek 2y ago
Have you ever been to a rave? I've never seen a fight break out at a rave, but I've seen plenty in clubs. The levels of self-absorbed, inconsiderate, and assholish behavior are usually excruciatingly high at clubs, and tolerably low at raves.
- quchen 2y ago
  I've never seen a fight at a club. At this one big (80k) festival in northeast lake region Germany neither. In my experience, fighting and aggression are caused mainly by, in decreasing order of importance, alcohol, cocaine, crammed+overfilled spaces. Then a very long gap before bullies and such appear on the list.
- Earw0rm 2y ago
  Almost like ecstasy and cocaine/alcohol mix have different effects on the human brain and body...
celticninja 2y ago
Those are the people that would not be satisfied with the vibe and would actually detract from it, if they didn't like the facilities. But sure you go mass appeal and you get a manufactured mass appeal vibe, which on the scale of rave vibes is a 3 or 4 and the scale is exponential. If you don't know you don't know but it's worth checking it out if you can.
- throwway120385 2y ago
  Above & Beyond throw some pretty huge weekenders and the vibe in those giant expensive festivals is pretty good. Swiffer guy not withstanding.
jjk166 2y ago
[Citation Needed]

neom 2y ago

I agree, I was surprised to read "real raves don't happen in legal venues" - first time I've heard that line of thinking. Been raving for 20 years and here is what a rave means to me: very dancy music, electronic of some type (doesn't need to be pure edm), no judgements, kindness, love, good energy. I'd argue this is unsurprising given where the idea of a rave came from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_Tests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_Tests to me, rave is about PLUR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PLUR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PLUR

hmcq6 2y ago
> no judgements "No judgements" is not something I would attribute to legal venues. I mean there are SOOOOOOOO many clubs with dress codes, and that's just scratching the surface. It is my understanding that rave culture evolved out of the 90's illegal party scene which grew from the 80's acid house music scene. But even if you take it from the Acid Tests that would mean the parties were only legal for a year and have been illegal for nearly 60 years. To some a rave is just any party, to me it refers to the event being a grassroots operation. For the people, by the people and which is usually done on the cheap because artists aren't usually rolling in dough. To each their own though. I'm not gonna police your use of the word (unless you publish it apparently).