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Didnt Musk imply that the ex head of Twitter T&S was a pedophile The exact tweet being - “ looks like Yoel is arguing in favor of children being able to access

Didnt Musk imply that the ex head of Twitter T&S was a pedophile The exact tweet being - “ looks like Yoel is arguing in favor of children being able to access adult Internet services in his PhD thesis.” Or this one where he accused his disabled employee ? (using community notes to make the point no less) https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1633011448459964417?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1633011448459964417%7Ctwgr%5Eab4c24652de53570e8c24b8d01dc7eea96bacead%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.teslarati.com%2Felon-musk-posts-apology-to-disabled-former-twitter-employee%2F https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1633011448459964417?ref_src=tw...

zahlman 2y ago
From the sources I could find quickly to refresh my memory: > Over the weekend, Musk shared some of Roth’s past tweets and what appears to be an excerpt from his PhD thesis about Grindr, the LGBTQ social media app. Roth is quoted as saying that the app is possibly too “lewd or hook-up-oriented” for people under age 18 who are already using it, but that providers should “focus on creating safe strategies … for queer young adults” that aren’t just about hook-ups. Musk commented, “Looks like Yoel is arguing in favor of children being able to use adult services in his PhD thesis.” On Monday, the tweet had more than 60,000 likes and received 15,000 retweets. The thesis demonstrably exists (https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/60981d118b006454de9222b2/61d364a68536fc3f5cf77933_Roth-Dissertation.pdf https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/60981d118b006454de9222b2/61d...), and it does have a roughly matching quote at the bottom of PDF page 257 (labelled page 248). The idea of businesses "crafting safe strategies" to "safely connect queer young adults" (the context is very clear that Roth refers to people under the age of 18) is very reasonably interpreted as Musk did. There are very obvious reasons why existing services advertise themselves as 18+ and attempt to enforce that, and it should be clear to everyone that any such service intended specifically for minors could not plausibly be rendered safe. The idea that this observation constitutes an accusation of pedophilia is 100% media spin, and does not reflect Musk's words. Ideas like Roth's are not rare on the American (or Canadian) left, especially where they intersect with LGBT etc. rights - which is how things like https://www.cbc.ca/cbcdocspov/episodes/drag-kids https://www.cbc.ca/cbcdocspov/episodes/drag-kids can come to exist and be vigorously defended. This empowers quite a bit of culture warring from the American right.
- intended 2y ago
  Hey, all I asked is whether Musk implied he was a pedophile. I never said the dissertation didn’t exist. I’m sorry you took the effort to prove that point, however can you hold me responsible for that point? I was just asking a question. Isn’t the way you interpret those sentences your issue? Not mine? > The idea that this observation constitutes an accusation of pedophilia is 100% media spin, and does not reflect Musk's words. It surely doesn’t reflect Musk’s exact words. I dont know what you mean about media spin. I do know that people took those words to imply he was a pedophile. Which is why they went out to teach him a lesson, threatening him, harassing him and hounding him. I mean, who would let a censoring pedophile be? And it’s not Musk’s fault people did that, anyone who reads his sentence will see he clearly doesn’t mean that Roth is a pedophile. That’s the fault of the people who can’t read correctly! Like how can I be held responsible if you didn’t understand me.
  - zahlman 2y ago
    >I dont know what you mean about media spin. I do know that people took those words to imply he was a pedophile. Media stories asserted that he made such an implication. I believe that people came to that conclusion because they saw the assertion in the media, and didn't look into it further. I don't think they could have come to that conclusion on their own from what Musk actually said - if they were thinking clearly. As you say, it was not his fault. But people very often don't think clearly when it comes to topics like this. They infer things that were not implied.
    - intended 2y ago
      Yes. People then don’t reflect on their own actions, and continue. Also, I can say for sure - people came to that conclusion because they saw his words directly. Others were also funneled in via the media channel. People read Elon’s words in the context that gay people are perverse liberals.

zahlman 2y ago

From the sources I could find quickly to refresh my memory: > Over the weekend, Musk shared some of Roth’s past tweets and what appears to be an excerpt from his PhD thesis about Grindr, the LGBTQ social media app. Roth is quoted as saying that the app is possibly too “lewd or hook-up-oriented” for people under age 18 who are already using it, but that providers should “focus on creating safe strategies … for queer young adults” that aren’t just about hook-ups. Musk commented, “Looks like Yoel is arguing in favor of children being able to use adult services in his PhD thesis.” On Monday, the tweet had more than 60,000 likes and received 15,000 retweets. The thesis demonstrably exists (https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/60981d118b006454de9222b2/61d364a68536fc3f5cf77933_Roth-Dissertation.pdf https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/60981d118b006454de9222b2/61d...), and it does have a roughly matching quote at the bottom of PDF page 257 (labelled page 248). The idea of businesses "crafting safe strategies" to "safely connect queer young adults" (the context is very clear that Roth refers to people under the age of 18) is very reasonably interpreted as Musk did. There are very obvious reasons why existing services advertise themselves as 18+ and attempt to enforce that, and it should be clear to everyone that any such service intended specifically for minors could not plausibly be rendered safe. The idea that this observation constitutes an accusation of pedophilia is 100% media spin, and does not reflect Musk's words. Ideas like Roth's are not rare on the American (or Canadian) left, especially where they intersect with LGBT etc. rights - which is how things like https://www.cbc.ca/cbcdocspov/episodes/drag-kids https://www.cbc.ca/cbcdocspov/episodes/drag-kids can come to exist and be vigorously defended. This empowers quite a bit of culture warring from the American right.

intended 2y ago
Hey, all I asked is whether Musk implied he was a pedophile. I never said the dissertation didn’t exist. I’m sorry you took the effort to prove that point, however can you hold me responsible for that point? I was just asking a question. Isn’t the way you interpret those sentences your issue? Not mine? > The idea that this observation constitutes an accusation of pedophilia is 100% media spin, and does not reflect Musk's words. It surely doesn’t reflect Musk’s exact words. I dont know what you mean about media spin. I do know that people took those words to imply he was a pedophile. Which is why they went out to teach him a lesson, threatening him, harassing him and hounding him. I mean, who would let a censoring pedophile be? And it’s not Musk’s fault people did that, anyone who reads his sentence will see he clearly doesn’t mean that Roth is a pedophile. That’s the fault of the people who can’t read correctly! Like how can I be held responsible if you didn’t understand me.
- zahlman 2y ago
  >I dont know what you mean about media spin. I do know that people took those words to imply he was a pedophile. Media stories asserted that he made such an implication. I believe that people came to that conclusion because they saw the assertion in the media, and didn't look into it further. I don't think they could have come to that conclusion on their own from what Musk actually said - if they were thinking clearly. As you say, it was not his fault. But people very often don't think clearly when it comes to topics like this. They infer things that were not implied.
  - intended 2y ago
    Yes. People then don’t reflect on their own actions, and continue. Also, I can say for sure - people came to that conclusion because they saw his words directly. Others were also funneled in via the media channel. People read Elon’s words in the context that gay people are perverse liberals.