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I agree in a world of data surveillance, techniques that obfuscate, like you have mentioned are ideal. The problem with this form of obfuscation is it also imp

by thewanderer1983 2y ago

I agree in a world of data surveillance, techniques that obfuscate, like you have mentioned are ideal. The problem with this form of obfuscation is it also impacts other industries (legitimate functions) including areas of national security. Therefore I imagine it will be met with resistance, if any useful tools become widespread in use. For example, faking traffic jam data for google maps with phones. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-04/man-creates-fake-traffic-jam-on-google-maps-by-carting-99-phones/11929136 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-04/man-creates-fake-traf... Faking wifi and location data to unlock airpods pro in India. https://www.reddit.com/r/AirpodsPro/comments/1gqscig/two_guys_in_india_figured_out_a_method_to_get/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AirpodsPro/comments/1gqscig/two_guy... DataPools is a Wi-Fi geolocation spoofing project that virtually relocates your phone to the latitudes and longitudes of Silicon Valley’s elite pools. https://adam.harvey.studio/datapools/ https://adam.harvey.studio/datapools/ These are just a couple of fun examples, obviously you could augment these with LLM/DL tools and other anti-censorship (mixer, DCnets etc ), bot(nets) tools to create multiple identities that post in other languages, create fake photos of your in various countries, to make it hard to follow.

alphan0n 2y ago
>DataPools is a Wi-Fi geolocation spoofing project that virtually relocates your phone to the latitudes and longitudes of Silicon Valley’s elite pools. https://adam.harvey.studio/datapools/ https://adam.harvey.studio/datapools/ That is hilarious and should be expanded.
JohnMakin 2y ago
> The problem with this form of obfuscation is it also impacts other industries (legitimate functions) including areas of national security. I'm aware that "national security" is often invoked in these types of discussions, and a little aware more than I think the general populace at how valuable some of this data is to intelligence operations. However, I would counter that by saying perhaps someone should consider whether it's a problem that such "critical" national security functions belong in the hands of companies that control the flow of such data for profit to anyone with a pocketbook, and ponder whether this is actually working to cause net help or harm for national security. I would argue strongly the latter, to the profitability of the people that control such data and contribute a lot of money to the elections of people that put forth their agendas, but this isn't the place to do so.
- thewanderer1983 2y ago
  Some areas you might want to consider looking into. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_privacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_privacy https://vitalik.eth.limo/general/2022/06/15/using_snarks.html https://vitalik.eth.limo/general/2022/06/15/using_snarks.htm... Obviously this requires companies to embrace said technologies.
- thewanderer1983 2y ago
  I agree with your conclusion. There have been similar discussions around backdoors and “lawful intercept” systems in the past. The intelligent argument didn't win there either. Then you get Salt Typhoon, and maybe people will rethink them.

alphan0n 2y ago

>DataPools is a Wi-Fi geolocation spoofing project that virtually relocates your phone to the latitudes and longitudes of Silicon Valley’s elite pools. https://adam.harvey.studio/datapools/ https://adam.harvey.studio/datapools/ That is hilarious and should be expanded.

JohnMakin 2y ago

> The problem with this form of obfuscation is it also impacts other industries (legitimate functions) including areas of national security. I'm aware that "national security" is often invoked in these types of discussions, and a little aware more than I think the general populace at how valuable some of this data is to intelligence operations. However, I would counter that by saying perhaps someone should consider whether it's a problem that such "critical" national security functions belong in the hands of companies that control the flow of such data for profit to anyone with a pocketbook, and ponder whether this is actually working to cause net help or harm for national security. I would argue strongly the latter, to the profitability of the people that control such data and contribute a lot of money to the elections of people that put forth their agendas, but this isn't the place to do so.

thewanderer1983 2y ago
Some areas you might want to consider looking into. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_privacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_privacy https://vitalik.eth.limo/general/2022/06/15/using_snarks.html https://vitalik.eth.limo/general/2022/06/15/using_snarks.htm... Obviously this requires companies to embrace said technologies.
thewanderer1983 2y ago
I agree with your conclusion. There have been similar discussions around backdoors and “lawful intercept” systems in the past. The intelligent argument didn't win there either. Then you get Salt Typhoon, and maybe people will rethink them.