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Orange juice is high in sugars. Drinking any alternative beverage with a lot of sugar is bad for your health. I believe a 12 ounce glass of orange juice is 100%

by Hilift 2y ago

Orange juice is high in sugars. Drinking any alternative beverage with a lot of sugar is bad for your health. I believe a 12 ounce glass of orange juice is 100% of maximum sugar intake for one day. If you drank orange juice the same way you drank soda with added sugar, the health effect would be equally detrimental.

musicale 2y ago
I think citric acid is better than phosphoric acid (e.g. for your bones and kidneys), though both can dissolve tooth enamel. OJ also has more vitamin C than typical sodas. Milk has more calories/ounce than soda, but it also has protein, fat, and calcium. Anecdotally, I find juice more filling than soda, milk even more so.
- malfist 2y ago
  Citric acid and phosphoric acid likely have the same impact on your teeth and no impact on your bones and kidneys. Acids and bases on your diet have very little to do with what pH is exposed to the rest of your body. Your stomach is probably more acid than anything you eat or drink, and your lungs and kidneys tightly regulate the pH of the blood. If your diet is effecting your blood pH, your probably already on death's door
  - musicale 2y ago
    > Citric acid and phosphoric acid likely have the same impact on your teeth and no impact on your bones and kidneys "Recent findings show that increasing dietary phosphorus through inorganic phosphate additives has detrimental effects on bone and mineral metabolism in humans and animals. There is new data supporting an educational intervention to limit phosphate additives in patients with chronic kidney disease to control serum phosphate." "Cola is a unique source of additive inorganic phosphate that has been studied over the years in its effect on bone health. Cola delivers a load of phosphoric acid that is absorbed readily and rapidly and is often consumed between meals. A 20 fl. oz. bottle of cola, for example, provides 55 mg of phosphorus, whereas non-cola sodas are phosphate-free. In addition, cola may displace milk in the diet, so it can contribute to lower calcium intake concurrent along with greater inorganic phosphosphates intake (12)." But, you could be correct regarding bone effects: "It seems likely that any potential negative effects of cola on bone when it substitutes for milk in the diet would be driven by decreased calcium intake and other bone health nutrients (e.g. protein, vitamin D) in milk, rather than the difference in phosphorus load. This is because milk has about ten times the phosphorus content of cola by volume," Though I still wonder about possibly different effects from inorganic phosphorus additives in cola vs. naturally occurring phosphorus in milk and other foods. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5693714/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5693714/
  - davoneus 2y ago
    Intuitively, I suspect any acid is bad for your teeth. But I see that statement primarily from Dentists, and their track record in a number of areas is less than stellar. Prime example: Flossing and 6 month checkups. Neither of which have good scientific evidence, despite their widespread promotion.
    - musicale 2y ago
      6 month checkups (especially with expensive x-ray imaging) are scientifically proven to improve dentist income.
    - eru 2y ago
      From anecdotal evidence: when I stop flossing for a few days, my gums start bleeding. Not sure what suspicious extra super powers your dentist suggests flossing has?
    - cableshaft 2y ago
      I go every three months, and they have a good amount of tartar to clean off my teeth then. Also before I did that I was having pretty significant pockets for gum disease for all my teeth (it was close to the point where it's irreversible). It's mostly under control now, except for problem areas in two specific spots, but even those are still better than they were. I haven't really changed my dental hygeine habits other than going in for routine cleanings twice as often, so it's definitely helping.
- in-pursuit 2y ago
  Milk actually has a ridiculous amount of sugar. 11g per cup! That makes it hard to drink if you're trying to cut back on sugar.
  - majkinetor 2y ago
    Lactose is poorly digestible though
gdw2 2y ago
> the health effect would be equally detrimental. From the article: > High doses of rapidly digested glucose also activate insulin and other regulatory pathways... Orange Soda (i.e. Fanta), an SSB, and Orange Juice have glycemic indexes of about 68 and 48 respectively. I assume that's a material difference in that OJ doesn't spike your insulin as abruptly and therefore is not as harmful. Thre's more to it than simply grams of sugar.
- Zobat 2y ago
  The diabetics I know say OJ is worse than (sugared) sodas.
  - Der_Einzige 2y ago
    Maybe because they can drink it faster. Glycmic index's and the equivalent index's around insulin response are literally the gold standard for deciding what's okay to eat. "Vibes" or "My opinions" do not matter. OJ is marginally "healthier", significantly because the fiber in the drink (more pulp the better) slows down (slightly) the insulin and glycemic responses. Source: Family of diabetics who have actually lost limb to the poison that is refined sugar.
    - devmor 2y ago
      I have no idea if this might be related, but citric acid is known to speed up mixed absorption of non-protein sources by inhibiting proteolytic enzymes in the digestive tract (it is even used in some medicines that require faster absorption because of this). To that effect, perhaps the glucose in OJ is absorbed faster than the glucose in other SSBs specifically when consumed with other foods, leading to this anecdotal understanding that OJ is "worse" than other SSBs among diabetics?
EasyMark 2y ago
also a lot of people won't acknowledge that as far as damage that sugar is likely just as bad as HFCS. both should be heavily reduced
- jtc331 2y ago
  I believe sucrose and fructose are processed differently — specifically fructose is processed by the liver so can have the same issues as alcohol there.
  - jandrewrogers 2y ago
    Sucrose is 50% fructose. HFCS is typically 42-55% fructose. They are essentially indistinguishable to your liver.
    - sideshowb 2y ago
      > Sucrose is 50% fructose What? They're different molecules
      - LordAtlas 2y ago
        Sucrose is a disaccharide made up of 50% glucose and 50% fructose.
    - majkinetor 2y ago
      There is also a chemical bond that needs to be broken in sucrose
      - jandrewrogers 2y ago
        Of course, and the human body is full of enzymes that exist to cleave saccharides into their constituent sugars.

by Hilift 2y ago

musicale 2y ago

I think citric acid is better than phosphoric acid (e.g. for your bones and kidneys), though both can dissolve tooth enamel. OJ also has more vitamin C than typical sodas. Milk has more calories/ounce than soda, but it also has protein, fat, and calcium. Anecdotally, I find juice more filling than soda, milk even more so.

malfist 2y ago
Citric acid and phosphoric acid likely have the same impact on your teeth and no impact on your bones and kidneys. Acids and bases on your diet have very little to do with what pH is exposed to the rest of your body. Your stomach is probably more acid than anything you eat or drink, and your lungs and kidneys tightly regulate the pH of the blood. If your diet is effecting your blood pH, your probably already on death's door
- musicale 2y ago
  > Citric acid and phosphoric acid likely have the same impact on your teeth and no impact on your bones and kidneys "Recent findings show that increasing dietary phosphorus through inorganic phosphate additives has detrimental effects on bone and mineral metabolism in humans and animals. There is new data supporting an educational intervention to limit phosphate additives in patients with chronic kidney disease to control serum phosphate." "Cola is a unique source of additive inorganic phosphate that has been studied over the years in its effect on bone health. Cola delivers a load of phosphoric acid that is absorbed readily and rapidly and is often consumed between meals. A 20 fl. oz. bottle of cola, for example, provides 55 mg of phosphorus, whereas non-cola sodas are phosphate-free. In addition, cola may displace milk in the diet, so it can contribute to lower calcium intake concurrent along with greater inorganic phosphosphates intake (12)." But, you could be correct regarding bone effects: "It seems likely that any potential negative effects of cola on bone when it substitutes for milk in the diet would be driven by decreased calcium intake and other bone health nutrients (e.g. protein, vitamin D) in milk, rather than the difference in phosphorus load. This is because milk has about ten times the phosphorus content of cola by volume," Though I still wonder about possibly different effects from inorganic phosphorus additives in cola vs. naturally occurring phosphorus in milk and other foods. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5693714/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5693714/
- davoneus 2y ago
  Intuitively, I suspect any acid is bad for your teeth. But I see that statement primarily from Dentists, and their track record in a number of areas is less than stellar. Prime example: Flossing and 6 month checkups. Neither of which have good scientific evidence, despite their widespread promotion.
  - musicale 2y ago
    6 month checkups (especially with expensive x-ray imaging) are scientifically proven to improve dentist income.
  - eru 2y ago
    From anecdotal evidence: when I stop flossing for a few days, my gums start bleeding. Not sure what suspicious extra super powers your dentist suggests flossing has?
  - cableshaft 2y ago
    I go every three months, and they have a good amount of tartar to clean off my teeth then. Also before I did that I was having pretty significant pockets for gum disease for all my teeth (it was close to the point where it's irreversible). It's mostly under control now, except for problem areas in two specific spots, but even those are still better than they were. I haven't really changed my dental hygeine habits other than going in for routine cleanings twice as often, so it's definitely helping.
in-pursuit 2y ago
Milk actually has a ridiculous amount of sugar. 11g per cup! That makes it hard to drink if you're trying to cut back on sugar.
- majkinetor 2y ago
  Lactose is poorly digestible though

gdw2 2y ago

> the health effect would be equally detrimental. From the article: > High doses of rapidly digested glucose also activate insulin and other regulatory pathways... Orange Soda (i.e. Fanta), an SSB, and Orange Juice have glycemic indexes of about 68 and 48 respectively. I assume that's a material difference in that OJ doesn't spike your insulin as abruptly and therefore is not as harmful. Thre's more to it than simply grams of sugar.

Zobat 2y ago
The diabetics I know say OJ is worse than (sugared) sodas.
- Der_Einzige 2y ago
  Maybe because they can drink it faster. Glycmic index's and the equivalent index's around insulin response are literally the gold standard for deciding what's okay to eat. "Vibes" or "My opinions" do not matter. OJ is marginally "healthier", significantly because the fiber in the drink (more pulp the better) slows down (slightly) the insulin and glycemic responses. Source: Family of diabetics who have actually lost limb to the poison that is refined sugar.
  - devmor 2y ago
    I have no idea if this might be related, but citric acid is known to speed up mixed absorption of non-protein sources by inhibiting proteolytic enzymes in the digestive tract (it is even used in some medicines that require faster absorption because of this). To that effect, perhaps the glucose in OJ is absorbed faster than the glucose in other SSBs specifically when consumed with other foods, leading to this anecdotal understanding that OJ is "worse" than other SSBs among diabetics?

EasyMark 2y ago

also a lot of people won't acknowledge that as far as damage that sugar is likely just as bad as HFCS. both should be heavily reduced

jtc331 2y ago
I believe sucrose and fructose are processed differently — specifically fructose is processed by the liver so can have the same issues as alcohol there.
- jandrewrogers 2y ago
  Sucrose is 50% fructose. HFCS is typically 42-55% fructose. They are essentially indistinguishable to your liver.
  - sideshowb 2y ago
    > Sucrose is 50% fructose What? They're different molecules
    - LordAtlas 2y ago
      Sucrose is a disaccharide made up of 50% glucose and 50% fructose.
  - majkinetor 2y ago
    There is also a chemical bond that needs to be broken in sucrose
    - jandrewrogers 2y ago
      Of course, and the human body is full of enzymes that exist to cleave saccharides into their constituent sugars.