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I'm honestly a bit confused about what your actual point is. Most people would agree that HDCP is hostile to consumers, but what does any of that have to do wit

by Tharre 2y ago

I'm honestly a bit confused about what your actual point is. Most people would agree that HDCP is hostile to consumers, but what does any of that have to do with USB or for that matter android? It sounds to me your problem is that your particular MHL implementation just didn't support HDCP. And AFAIK MHL has nothing to do with the USB standard other then reusing the connector to speak their protocol.

p0w3n3d 2y ago
You're right, if this MHL implementation didn't have HDCP it would behave exactly like that. Sad. My thinming is square. I still connect my monitors using SVGA and watch movies on them. Truly this sounds to really complicated that a phone which is indeed a computer cannot do computer things. My first android was closer to my Linux than every each version following. My colleague had SSH server on his Motorola phone. What I moan about is that limiting, strangling list of changes made to browsers and systems that is happening right now
- Tharre 2y ago
  > Truly this sounds to really complicated that a phone which is indeed a computer cannot do computer things. I agree with that point, but I don't think that's what's happening here. Go back a couple of years and you'll find tons of posts of people trying to get Netflix working on linux. People did find various workarounds of course, including really stupid things like changing the user agent of your browser, but it really wasn't working out of the box like it should. So the problem really isn't that your pocket computer can't do computer things, but that HDCP is doing what it's designed to do, restrict people from using video streams in a way not envisioned by the designers. The fact that this is a (legally) legitimate use-case doesn't matter, it's just collateral damage.
  - scarface_74 2y ago
    > Go back a couple of years and you'll find tons of posts of people trying to get Netflix working on linux That’s exactly what is happening. The newest Google Pixels phone that support DisplayPort alt-mode over USB C should work with the Netflix app. You’re over indexing on Android being based on Linux
    - Tharre 2y ago
      > That’s exactly what is happening. The newest Google Pixels phone that support DisplayPort alt-mode over USB C should work with the Netflix app. ? I think you misunderstood something, but yes this works now also with usb-c alt modes on newer laptops on linux, hence the "go back a couple of years" part of my post.
- scarface_74 2y ago
  > Truly this sounds to really complicated that a phone which is indeed a computer cannot do computer things An iPhone with USB C supports most of the standard protocols you would expect - video, Ethernet, audio, external storage (USB 2 speeds on non Pro models and 10Gbps on pro models), and wired keyboards and mice.

by Tharre 2y ago

p0w3n3d 2y ago

You're right, if this MHL implementation didn't have HDCP it would behave exactly like that. Sad. My thinming is square. I still connect my monitors using SVGA and watch movies on them. Truly this sounds to really complicated that a phone which is indeed a computer cannot do computer things. My first android was closer to my Linux than every each version following. My colleague had SSH server on his Motorola phone. What I moan about is that limiting, strangling list of changes made to browsers and systems that is happening right now

Tharre 2y ago
> Truly this sounds to really complicated that a phone which is indeed a computer cannot do computer things. I agree with that point, but I don't think that's what's happening here. Go back a couple of years and you'll find tons of posts of people trying to get Netflix working on linux. People did find various workarounds of course, including really stupid things like changing the user agent of your browser, but it really wasn't working out of the box like it should. So the problem really isn't that your pocket computer can't do computer things, but that HDCP is doing what it's designed to do, restrict people from using video streams in a way not envisioned by the designers. The fact that this is a (legally) legitimate use-case doesn't matter, it's just collateral damage.
- scarface_74 2y ago
  > Go back a couple of years and you'll find tons of posts of people trying to get Netflix working on linux That’s exactly what is happening. The newest Google Pixels phone that support DisplayPort alt-mode over USB C should work with the Netflix app. You’re over indexing on Android being based on Linux
  - Tharre 2y ago
    > That’s exactly what is happening. The newest Google Pixels phone that support DisplayPort alt-mode over USB C should work with the Netflix app. ? I think you misunderstood something, but yes this works now also with usb-c alt modes on newer laptops on linux, hence the "go back a couple of years" part of my post.
scarface_74 2y ago
> Truly this sounds to really complicated that a phone which is indeed a computer cannot do computer things An iPhone with USB C supports most of the standard protocols you would expect - video, Ethernet, audio, external storage (USB 2 speeds on non Pro models and 10Gbps on pro models), and wired keyboards and mice.