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- pesus 2y agoYou're generally correct, but I imagine you won't get a good reaction on HN to this viewpoint. Most people on here unfortunately don't really an understanding of politics beyond a very surface level one.
- _DeadFred_ 2y agoHN is not a political site and Deng doesn't allow much politics. Your generalization is based purely on only the surface level discussion allowed. Maybe it's you that doesn't have nuanced 'understanding'?
- pesus 2y agoI'm certainly no expert, I just wish we could at least use the surface level terms correctly.
- ternnoburn 2y agoI'd be thrilled to have the right correctly differentiate between the democrats and leftists. Using the right terms would be a useful start to having some dialogs.
- IncreasePosts 2y agoBurlington, Vermont.
- ternnoburn 2y agoBurlington Vermont might be close.
- rcpt 2y agoRutland
- hyperliner 2y ago[dead]
- netbioserror 2y agoThis is a statement about yourself, not the US.
- ternnoburn 2y agoNot really? The democratic and republican parties are both classical liberal parties, invested in business and capital as the standard and correct way to organize a society. Classical liberalism is a center-right ideology, globally. Show me the party in the U.S. that wants to abolish private property, wants to provide food, healthcare, and housing to all, that wants to nationalize key industries, that wants to govern from a standpoint of "wellbeing for all". If you can point me to a place where that's the prevailing ideology, I'll gladly recant the idea that no place like that exists here.
- transcriptase 2y agoJust where exactly do you think the centre of the political spectrum is if anything left of it means full-on Marxist-Leninist communism?
- ternnoburn 2y agoSocial democrats (e.g. Nordic model) are left of center, but aren't MLs or communists. Anarchists (e.g. Kropotkin) are left of center but aren't MLs or communists. There's plenty of room between the center and Marxist Leninism. I would say many labor politicians are centrist. Some democrats are center, some are center-left. Some are center-right. Some members of Liberal parties are centrist. The center has tons of parties in it.
- zeroonetwothree 2y agoYou are not using the term “left of center” how most people do. Which is fine if you want to but then don’t get surprised when you have to explain yourself every single time. BTW as an actual “classical liberal” I find it hilarious you describe the two parties that way.
- amalcon 2y agoParent obviously meant "center" to be the political center of the U.S. given the previous sentence. I'm not sure they're correct in either statement (not having investigated in any way), or that this is a reasonable thing to consider for a global platform (to the extent that Facebook is one). Nonetheless, it's trivially true that somewhere in the US must be to the left of the political center of the U.S.
- lobf 2y ago...how do you mean? What are you defining 'left of center' as?
- ethbr1 2y agoParent was making an observation that the entire US political discourse, including both sides, tends to be right of global center.
- devvvvvvv 2y agoWhy would the political leanings of other countries matter in a discussion about the US?
- ternnoburn 2y agoThe Left Right dichotomy is a fairly broad set of political ideas, especially globally. The Left typically includes socialists, communists, anarchists, labor movements, syndicalists, and social democrats. Typically, these movements are collectivist, whether that's collectivist in a big government or collectivist in small local communities. Classical liberal policies, looks those of the Democrats and Republicans, are right of center. An example, when was the last time the Democratic Party pushed for nationalization of a whole industry? Eg aerospace, rail, or energy? What about offering food and housing for everyone? Abolishing private property? Those are leftist policies.