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I’ve lived in SF, Mountain View and also the east bay and I’ve worked at a billion dollar company that did indeed support some very left-wing causes. Despite h

I’ve lived in SF, Mountain View and also the east bay and I’ve worked at a billion dollar company that did indeed support some very left-wing causes. Despite having grown up in a light blue state, the difference in politics was very noticeable when I got to SF/SV. This isn’t a value judgement, just my observation.

pesus 2y ago
That's why I was talking about Silicon Valley, not SF or east bay. They're much different places. Besides that, a corporation giving lip service to diversity =/= "extreme left-wing" views. These billion dollar corporations are still capitalist, through and through. Actual extreme left-wing views are staunchly opposed to capitalism.
- Karrot_Kream 2y ago
  Talking about "actual extreme left-wing views" is something that only really works in internet arguments where everything eventually trends into Communism vs Capitalism (TM). In reality, every country has their own set of issues. Every democracy has their set of parties that exist somewhere in the policy space of issues relevant to them. In the US, we generally think of socially progressive policies as "left" along with non-market views of the economy. As such, the SFBA is generally much closer to the American "left" edge than the right. I agree that South Bay and the Peninsula are less "left" than SF or Oakland, but I think this sort of argument is sophistry. That said, I don't really think moving hiring to Texas will change anything ideologically among employees and instead is just a way to signal to the new administration that they're Friends (TM) and on the backside a way to cost cut so they can pay less in Austin.
- tptacek 2y ago
  That's a funny way to say "I'm sorry, I should not have assumed you were unfamiliar with the region, when it has instead become clear that you live out there".
- devvvvvvv 2y ago
  Actual extreme left-wing views are those that the average San Franciscan holds. Economics isn't everything.
  - immibis 2y ago
    What are these extreme left-wing views?
    - AlchemistCamp 2y ago
      Here's Claude's response to your question: I aim to discuss this topic factually while noting that views vary significantly among San Francisco residents. Some common political positions that would generally be considered far-left in the U.S. context include support for: - Housing as a human right and strict rent control policies - Universal basic income and significantly higher taxes on wealthy individuals and corporations - Complete defunding or abolition of police departments - Immediate and dramatic action on climate change, including bans on private vehicles
    - devvvvvvv 2y ago
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pesus 2y ago

That's why I was talking about Silicon Valley, not SF or east bay. They're much different places. Besides that, a corporation giving lip service to diversity =/= "extreme left-wing" views. These billion dollar corporations are still capitalist, through and through. Actual extreme left-wing views are staunchly opposed to capitalism.

Karrot_Kream 2y ago
Talking about "actual extreme left-wing views" is something that only really works in internet arguments where everything eventually trends into Communism vs Capitalism (TM). In reality, every country has their own set of issues. Every democracy has their set of parties that exist somewhere in the policy space of issues relevant to them. In the US, we generally think of socially progressive policies as "left" along with non-market views of the economy. As such, the SFBA is generally much closer to the American "left" edge than the right. I agree that South Bay and the Peninsula are less "left" than SF or Oakland, but I think this sort of argument is sophistry. That said, I don't really think moving hiring to Texas will change anything ideologically among employees and instead is just a way to signal to the new administration that they're Friends (TM) and on the backside a way to cost cut so they can pay less in Austin.
tptacek 2y ago
That's a funny way to say "I'm sorry, I should not have assumed you were unfamiliar with the region, when it has instead become clear that you live out there".
devvvvvvv 2y ago
Actual extreme left-wing views are those that the average San Franciscan holds. Economics isn't everything.
- immibis 2y ago
  What are these extreme left-wing views?
  - AlchemistCamp 2y ago
    Here's Claude's response to your question: I aim to discuss this topic factually while noting that views vary significantly among San Francisco residents. Some common political positions that would generally be considered far-left in the U.S. context include support for: - Housing as a human right and strict rent control policies - Universal basic income and significantly higher taxes on wealthy individuals and corporations - Complete defunding or abolition of police departments - Immediate and dramatic action on climate change, including bans on private vehicles
  - devvvvvvv 2y ago
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