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Was his "trouble staying employed" because HVAC bored him out of his mind, or attention span issues, or other factors? The world has plenty of people who are r

Was his "trouble staying employed" because HVAC bored him out of his mind, or attention span issues, or other factors? The world has plenty of people who are really smart, yet are really not "good employee" material.

ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
He was angry. I mean, really angry. He was also very big and intimidating. That didn't help. Most of the anger came from prison, and from being screwed over, to be thrown in there. That can make it difficult to get along with others, and those who don't play well with others, have trouble staying employed. But it's also possible to transcend that kind of thing. I see it regularly. It just takes a lot of work. Painful, humbling, work.
- tombert 2y ago
  I can't even imagine how much prison would fuck me up. Between potential sexual abuse, being around a lot of violent people, the general disregard Americans have for prisoners and convicted felons and their well-being, and the "doing what you have to to survive" mentality that seems to scar incarcerated people, it would be hard for it not to change you as a person. I really hate how the US handles prisons, and I really hate the "lock them up and throw away the key" mentality we have here. I hope it's obvious, that's not something I agree with.
- bell-cot 2y ago
  > He was also very big and intimidating. I'll bet that was unhelpful at age 17, when our <cough/> justice system was deciding his fate.
- scotty79 2y ago
  But he did burgle a house, so obviously he had some pre-existing behavioral issues, right? And those are probably not gone. > Most of the anger came from prison, and from being screwed over, to be thrown in there. That clearly illustrates that he didn't progress at all in his understanding of life. I'd be afraid to live within few kilometers of him let alone having him work at my company if I had one
  - ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
    Yup. He never adjusted. He was always acting as if he was still in The Yard.
    - scotty79 2y ago
      My point was, he might have already been acting as if he was in The Yard before they put him in The Yard.
      - ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
        Maybe, but I didn't know him, before. I have, however, been dealing with after-incarceration folks for a few decades, and there's a particular type of attitude that is absolutely required to survive, inside, and that must be completely stripped away, once they get out, as it is pure poison, outside the wall.

ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago

He was angry. I mean, really angry. He was also very big and intimidating. That didn't help. Most of the anger came from prison, and from being screwed over, to be thrown in there. That can make it difficult to get along with others, and those who don't play well with others, have trouble staying employed. But it's also possible to transcend that kind of thing. I see it regularly. It just takes a lot of work. Painful, humbling, work.

tombert 2y ago
I can't even imagine how much prison would fuck me up. Between potential sexual abuse, being around a lot of violent people, the general disregard Americans have for prisoners and convicted felons and their well-being, and the "doing what you have to to survive" mentality that seems to scar incarcerated people, it would be hard for it not to change you as a person. I really hate how the US handles prisons, and I really hate the "lock them up and throw away the key" mentality we have here. I hope it's obvious, that's not something I agree with.
bell-cot 2y ago
> He was also very big and intimidating. I'll bet that was unhelpful at age 17, when our <cough/> justice system was deciding his fate.
scotty79 2y ago
But he did burgle a house, so obviously he had some pre-existing behavioral issues, right? And those are probably not gone. > Most of the anger came from prison, and from being screwed over, to be thrown in there. That clearly illustrates that he didn't progress at all in his understanding of life. I'd be afraid to live within few kilometers of him let alone having him work at my company if I had one
- ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
  Yup. He never adjusted. He was always acting as if he was still in The Yard.
  - scotty79 2y ago
    My point was, he might have already been acting as if he was in The Yard before they put him in The Yard.
    - ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
      Maybe, but I didn't know him, before. I have, however, been dealing with after-incarceration folks for a few decades, and there's a particular type of attitude that is absolutely required to survive, inside, and that must be completely stripped away, once they get out, as it is pure poison, outside the wall.