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1. Because you shoot at puddles? 2. Because you play at night after a rainstorm? Really, these are the only 2 situations where ray tracing makes much of a di

1. Because you shoot at puddles? 2. Because you play at night after a rainstorm? Really, these are the only 2 situations where ray tracing makes much of a difference. We already have simulated shadowing in many games and it works pretty well, actually.

bowsamic 2y ago
I just find screen space effects a bit jarring
t-writescode 2y ago
Yes, actually. A lot of games use water, a lot, in their scenes (70% of the planet is covered in it, after all), and that does improve immersion and feels nice to look at. Silent Hill 2 Remake and Black Myth: Wukong both have a meaningful amount of water in them and are improved visually with raytracing for those exact reasons.
- wruza 2y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXpoJlB8Zfg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXpoJlB8Zfg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyn2NeA6hI0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyn2NeA6hI0 Can you please point at the mentioned effects here? Immersion in what? Looks like PS4-gen Tomb Raider to me, honestly. All these water reflections existed long before RTX, it didn't introduce reflective surfaces. What it did introduce is dynamic reflections/ambience, which are a very specific thing to be found in the videos above. does improve immersion and feels nice to look at I bet that this is purely synthetic because RTX gets pushed down the players throat by not implementing any RTX-off graphics at all.
  - t-writescode 2y ago
    > by not implementing any RTX-off graphics at all. Just taking this one, you actually make a point about having a raytracing-ready graphics card for me. If all the games are doing the hard and mathematically taxing reflection and light-bouncing work through raytracing now and without even an option for non-raytraced, then raytracing is where we're going and having a good RT card is, now or very soon, a requirement.
    - wruza 2y ago
      It’s not me making this point, but nvidia’s green paper agreements with particular studios to milk you for more money for basically same graphics we had at TR:ROTT. If you’re fine with that, godspeed. But “we” are not going anywhere RT “now”. Most of Steam plays on xx60 and equivalents, which cannot reasonably run RT-only, so there’s no natural incentive to go there.

bowsamic 2y ago

I just find screen space effects a bit jarring

t-writescode 2y ago

Yes, actually. A lot of games use water, a lot, in their scenes (70% of the planet is covered in it, after all), and that does improve immersion and feels nice to look at. Silent Hill 2 Remake and Black Myth: Wukong both have a meaningful amount of water in them and are improved visually with raytracing for those exact reasons.

wruza 2y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXpoJlB8Zfg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXpoJlB8Zfg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyn2NeA6hI0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyn2NeA6hI0 Can you please point at the mentioned effects here? Immersion in what? Looks like PS4-gen Tomb Raider to me, honestly. All these water reflections existed long before RTX, it didn't introduce reflective surfaces. What it did introduce is dynamic reflections/ambience, which are a very specific thing to be found in the videos above. does improve immersion and feels nice to look at I bet that this is purely synthetic because RTX gets pushed down the players throat by not implementing any RTX-off graphics at all.
- t-writescode 2y ago
  > by not implementing any RTX-off graphics at all. Just taking this one, you actually make a point about having a raytracing-ready graphics card for me. If all the games are doing the hard and mathematically taxing reflection and light-bouncing work through raytracing now and without even an option for non-raytraced, then raytracing is where we're going and having a good RT card is, now or very soon, a requirement.
  - wruza 2y ago
    It’s not me making this point, but nvidia’s green paper agreements with particular studios to milk you for more money for basically same graphics we had at TR:ROTT. If you’re fine with that, godspeed. But “we” are not going anywhere RT “now”. Most of Steam plays on xx60 and equivalents, which cannot reasonably run RT-only, so there’s no natural incentive to go there.