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> Having to show an ID to a poll worker to get a ballot is a higher bar than signing something. I agree, but it's also true that 1) strict ID requirements inco
by angoragoats 2y ago
> Having to show an ID to a poll worker to get a ballot is a higher bar than signing something.
I agree, but it's also true that 1) strict ID requirements inconvenience poor and other disadvantaged people the most, and 2) there have been multiple studies on the effectiveness of voter ID laws which have found them to have little impact on voter fraud.
Additionally, if my data is correct, only 11 US states have strict voter ID requirements. This means that for a majority of Americans, an apples to apples comparison would be "signing a ballot" vs. "giving a poll worker your name/address." Of those two options, I would argue that signing something is actually a higher bar than giving your name to a poll worker, because it could later be more reliably verified to be fraud, if necessary.
So, I don't accept that mail-in ballots are "the most open to abuse."
- gadders 2y ago[flagged]
- angoragoats 2y agoI’m sorry you don’t like it, but it’s true. Care to respond to anything else in my post?
- gadders 2y ago[flagged]
- angoragoats 2y agoI'm done having a conversation with someone whose opinions about a minor point in my comment are completely divorced from reality, so don't bother replying. But if you'd like to read about this topic from people who have actually studied and analyzed this, please feel free: https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/688343?journalCode=jop https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/688343?jou... https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/716282 https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/716282 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/21565503.2020.1773280 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/21565503.2020.1... https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/jels.12283 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/jels.12283 https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/political-science-research-and-methods/article/abs/durable-differential-deterrent-effects-of-strict-photo-identification-laws/E97B3308FDA75972A6374EDCD26333BF https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/political-science-re...
- gadders 2y agoIf they don't want to participate in democracy, that's on them. It's not hard to get ID. Instead lobbying to make the voting process less secure, why not help people get ID instead?