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Will this totally end content moderation? That could be a small silver lining, as content moderation for FB appears to be extremely hazardous to one's mental h

Will this totally end content moderation? That could be a small silver lining, as content moderation for FB appears to be extremely hazardous to one's mental health: https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/22/business/facebook-content-moderators-kenya-ptsd-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/22/business/facebook-content-mod...

pjc50 2y ago
Obviously exposing the same content which was proven to cause harm to the content moderators to absolutely everybody on the platform will be worse.
- drawkward 2y ago
  It is not obvious that many people (when was the last time a single post was seen by the entirety of the platform?) seeing occasional soul-destroying stuff is worse than seeing soul-destroying stuff as full-time employment, 8 hours a day, 5 days a week for the length of one's work life. Also: perhaps the occasional soul-destroying post would help people break their social media addictions.
  - philjohn 2y ago
    Counterpoint: Molly Russell. https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Molly-Russell-Prevention-of-future-deaths-report-2022-0315_Published.pdf https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Molly-Ru...
    - drawkward 2y ago
      Certainly poor molly russell does not appear to have seen this cintent occasionally, which is just my point. There is no mention of how she accessed this content either: was it a message board, or was it served algorithmically, which is important to the contention here.
      - philjohn 2y ago
        Served algorithmically: https://mollyrosefoundation.org/november-2023-new-research-exposes-tech-giants-amplification-of-content-promoting-suicide-and-self-harm/ https://mollyrosefoundation.org/november-2023-new-research-e...
        drawkward 2y ago
        I am not sure that the death of one person outweighs the lifelong ptsd of 100% of fb content moderators. Again, my original claim is that it is not obvious. I am not trying to trivialize this persons death. If it were up to me, I'd completely get rid of social media in an instant.
        philjohn 2y ago
        When I worked there the North Star was always "build ML so good we don't need human reviewers".
LtWorf 2y ago
I'd love if they just sorted by timestamp, but no moderation + algorithm deciding what gets shown is not good.
- ibejoeb 2y ago
  That's pretty much the only legislation I'd support, i.e., a compulsory setting for chronological ordering of events, which effectively disables "the algorithm." Seems like it would be agreeable to media companies and pure libertarians alike.

pjc50 2y ago

Obviously exposing the same content which was proven to cause harm to the content moderators to absolutely everybody on the platform will be worse.

drawkward 2y ago
It is not obvious that many people (when was the last time a single post was seen by the entirety of the platform?) seeing occasional soul-destroying stuff is worse than seeing soul-destroying stuff as full-time employment, 8 hours a day, 5 days a week for the length of one's work life. Also: perhaps the occasional soul-destroying post would help people break their social media addictions.
- philjohn 2y ago
  Counterpoint: Molly Russell. https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Molly-Russell-Prevention-of-future-deaths-report-2022-0315_Published.pdf https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Molly-Ru...
  - drawkward 2y ago
    Certainly poor molly russell does not appear to have seen this cintent occasionally, which is just my point. There is no mention of how she accessed this content either: was it a message board, or was it served algorithmically, which is important to the contention here.
    - philjohn 2y ago
      Served algorithmically: https://mollyrosefoundation.org/november-2023-new-research-exposes-tech-giants-amplification-of-content-promoting-suicide-and-self-harm/ https://mollyrosefoundation.org/november-2023-new-research-e...
      - drawkward 2y ago
        I am not sure that the death of one person outweighs the lifelong ptsd of 100% of fb content moderators. Again, my original claim is that it is not obvious. I am not trying to trivialize this persons death. If it were up to me, I'd completely get rid of social media in an instant.
        philjohn 2y ago
        When I worked there the North Star was always "build ML so good we don't need human reviewers".

LtWorf 2y ago

I'd love if they just sorted by timestamp, but no moderation + algorithm deciding what gets shown is not good.

ibejoeb 2y ago
That's pretty much the only legislation I'd support, i.e., a compulsory setting for chronological ordering of events, which effectively disables "the algorithm." Seems like it would be agreeable to media companies and pure libertarians alike.