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>EU citizen here, what in hell is happening right now? The EU chose themselves to be US vassals, to be technologically outdated and to move from GDP parity in

>EU citizen here, what in hell is happening right now? The EU chose themselves to be US vassals, to be technologically outdated and to move from GDP parity in 2008 to being half the US economy 15 years later. Every problem that we face can be traced to the technocrat idiots in Brussels.

consumer451 2y ago
And this relates to Trump, Musk, and Zuck shoving their politics down our throats how? Their GDP is bigger, so we just give up self-determination? Maybe in your country the people who fought for freedom are all dead now, not here. F all that. We are barely 2 generations free here. Not going back.
- ReptileMan 2y ago
  Their GDP is bigger, their army protects us - so at any point in time Trump can say "I am altering the deal, pray I don't alter it further" and we have to suck it up.
  - consumer451 2y ago
    Do you really think that Europe cannot defend itself against Russia, a country with a GDP less than that of only Italy, whose military is currently so destroyed that it relies on North Korea to defend its own borders? Under Trump, I believe it is already priced-in that he would do nothing to uphold his NATO obligations. That ship has already sailed in sober-minded circles.
    - ReptileMan 2y ago
      >Do you really think that Europe cannot defend itself against Russia, a country with a GDP less than that of only Italy, whose military is currently so destroyed that it relies on North Korea to defend its own borders? Doesn't matter what i think. This what all of western european leaders say. Do you say that our governments would lie to us?
      - consumer451 2y ago
        Can you share a link of Western European leaders saying that they are not able to defend ourselves without the USA? I am honestly unaware of any such public statement. This smells a lot like RU propaganda. However, it would be cool if even more countries started to spend their NATO required GDP on defense.
throwaway63467 2y ago
Those numbers seem quite exaggerated, I think since 2008 the US economy has grown around 40 percent, EU around 25? So definitely more growth but hardly a ratio of 2, or where do you get your numbers?

consumer451 2y ago

And this relates to Trump, Musk, and Zuck shoving their politics down our throats how? Their GDP is bigger, so we just give up self-determination? Maybe in your country the people who fought for freedom are all dead now, not here. F all that. We are barely 2 generations free here. Not going back.

ReptileMan 2y ago
Their GDP is bigger, their army protects us - so at any point in time Trump can say "I am altering the deal, pray I don't alter it further" and we have to suck it up.
- consumer451 2y ago
  Do you really think that Europe cannot defend itself against Russia, a country with a GDP less than that of only Italy, whose military is currently so destroyed that it relies on North Korea to defend its own borders? Under Trump, I believe it is already priced-in that he would do nothing to uphold his NATO obligations. That ship has already sailed in sober-minded circles.
  - ReptileMan 2y ago
    >Do you really think that Europe cannot defend itself against Russia, a country with a GDP less than that of only Italy, whose military is currently so destroyed that it relies on North Korea to defend its own borders? Doesn't matter what i think. This what all of western european leaders say. Do you say that our governments would lie to us?
    - consumer451 2y ago
      Can you share a link of Western European leaders saying that they are not able to defend ourselves without the USA? I am honestly unaware of any such public statement. This smells a lot like RU propaganda. However, it would be cool if even more countries started to spend their NATO required GDP on defense.

throwaway63467 2y ago

Those numbers seem quite exaggerated, I think since 2008 the US economy has grown around 40 percent, EU around 25? So definitely more growth but hardly a ratio of 2, or where do you get your numbers?