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Here is a an article about the announcement, including the video transcript: https://uk.news.yahoo.com/mark-zuckerberg-says-meta-replace-131648384.html https://

by mrtksn 2y ago

Here is a an article about the announcement, including the video transcript: https://uk.news.yahoo.com/mark-zuckerberg-says-meta-replace-131648384.html https://uk.news.yahoo.com/mark-zuckerberg-says-meta-replace-... Overall, IMHO, it is great news. Opinions should be faced with opinions, lies should be faced with exposes as it has been done since the beginning of humanity. I am sure that many people will see this in different light(like this Daily Mail article titled "Mark Zuckerberg's stunning censorship admission as he seeks to suck-up to Trump") but I think this is the only way to counter the rise of fascism. Why? Because when censors and fact checkers are wrong crooks become freedom fighters and truth seekers. What should be regulated, I think, is frauds like pretending to be multiple people to sway opinions, bots pretending to be people to give impression that something is popular or using algorithms to distribute opinions and content that favors a particular side without being explicit about it or falsifying data to give impression that something receives support. Humans are used to lying or horrible people and we have social mechanisms to deal with these. What we can't deal with is fakery. [0] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14258989/mark-zuckerberg-meta-censorship-admission-donald-trump-inaguration.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14258989/mark-zucke...

mpweiher 2y ago
> Opinions should be faced with opinions, lies should be faced with exposes as it has been done since the beginning of humanity Yes they should be, but this is actually a fairly new invention. A fantastic one. Explained extremely well in The Constitution of Knowledge: A Defense of Truth Hardcover by Jonathan Rauch. https://www.amazon.com/Constitution-Knowledge-Jonathan-Rauch/dp/0815738862 https://www.amazon.com/Constitution-Knowledge-Jonathan-Rauch... Not affiliated, just a happy and now more-informed reader.
_cenw 2y ago
It feels like everything is up for debate now, yet it has never been less productive to debate anyone on anything. Truth is gone, conceptually superseded.
- mrtksn 2y ago
  I agree but I blame it on the structure. People are at different stages of understanding something and on the social media everyone at every stage debates at the same time. In real life, we we progress through a path and when someone who is just starting comes up with the same questions we debated some time ago we don't simply go back and do it again. That newbie is handled by appropriate group until they catch up.
  - _cenw 2y ago
    I don't think it's a matter of experience, it's a matter of belief. I just engaged someone who was adamant that someone who said "Q is legit" and "It's okay to be white" doesn't have necessarily have a right wing drift because if you take the reasonable out of reasonable doubt, you can always doubt something.
- pandemic_region 2y ago
  Yes, truth is gone. But, we should never lose hope that things will straighten out again eventually.
Blurbion 2y ago
It should not be possible to blindly push clearly idiotic and false information through a system without saveguards. I can have a conversation with my friends without fact checking every single word they say. And no we as humans had and still have a system of trust and respect. Respect has to be earned but when you got it, people trust you more. We did this because its more energy efficient to be able to trust others and not getting scamed left and right. Your argument "Because when censors and fact checkers are wrong crooks become freedom fighters and truth seekers." is a 1000x times less important than not sharing all the garbage first and we never had a system like social media before. Did you forget that Elon Musk just bought himself his position?

by mrtksn 2y ago

mpweiher 2y ago

> Opinions should be faced with opinions, lies should be faced with exposes as it has been done since the beginning of humanity Yes they should be, but this is actually a fairly new invention. A fantastic one. Explained extremely well in The Constitution of Knowledge: A Defense of Truth Hardcover by Jonathan Rauch. https://www.amazon.com/Constitution-Knowledge-Jonathan-Rauch/dp/0815738862 https://www.amazon.com/Constitution-Knowledge-Jonathan-Rauch... Not affiliated, just a happy and now more-informed reader.

_cenw 2y ago

It feels like everything is up for debate now, yet it has never been less productive to debate anyone on anything. Truth is gone, conceptually superseded.

mrtksn 2y ago
I agree but I blame it on the structure. People are at different stages of understanding something and on the social media everyone at every stage debates at the same time. In real life, we we progress through a path and when someone who is just starting comes up with the same questions we debated some time ago we don't simply go back and do it again. That newbie is handled by appropriate group until they catch up.
- _cenw 2y ago
  I don't think it's a matter of experience, it's a matter of belief. I just engaged someone who was adamant that someone who said "Q is legit" and "It's okay to be white" doesn't have necessarily have a right wing drift because if you take the reasonable out of reasonable doubt, you can always doubt something.
pandemic_region 2y ago
Yes, truth is gone. But, we should never lose hope that things will straighten out again eventually.

Blurbion 2y ago

It should not be possible to blindly push clearly idiotic and false information through a system without saveguards. I can have a conversation with my friends without fact checking every single word they say. And no we as humans had and still have a system of trust and respect. Respect has to be earned but when you got it, people trust you more. We did this because its more energy efficient to be able to trust others and not getting scamed left and right. Your argument "Because when censors and fact checkers are wrong crooks become freedom fighters and truth seekers." is a 1000x times less important than not sharing all the garbage first and we never had a system like social media before. Did you forget that Elon Musk just bought himself his position?