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Well, modern games + modern cards can't even do 4k at high fps and no dlss. 8k story is totally fairy tale. Maybe "render at 540p, display at 8k"-kind of thing?

Well, modern games + modern cards can't even do 4k at high fps and no dlss. 8k story is totally fairy tale. Maybe "render at 540p, display at 8k"-kind of thing? P.S. Also, VR. For VR you need 2x4k at 90+ stable fps. There's (almost) no vr games though

diggan 2y ago
> modern games + modern cards can't even do 4k at high fps What "modern games" and "modern cards" are you specifically talking about here? There are plenty of AAA games released last years that you can do 4K at 60fps with a RTX 3090 for example.
- philjohn 2y ago
  This - latest Call of Duty game on my (albeit water cooled) 3080TI founders edition saw frame rates in the 90-100fps running natively at 4k (no DLSS).
  - bavell 2y ago
    Can't CoD do 60+ fps @1080p on a potato nowadays?... not exactly a good reference point.
    - CobaltFire 2y ago
      4k90 is about 6 times that, and he probably has the options turned up. I’d say the comparison is what’s faulty, not the example.
    - sfmike 2y ago
      new cod is really unoptimized. on a few years old 3080 still getting 100 fps on 4k that's pretty great. if he uses some frame gen such as lossless he can get 120-150. Say what you will about nvidia prices but you do get years of great gaming out of them.
  - CobaltFire 2y ago
    Honestly my water cooled 3080TI FE has been great. Wish it had more VRAM for VR (DCS, MSFS) but otherwise it’s been great.
    - philjohn 2y ago
      Which block did you go with? I went with the EK Vector special edition which has been great, but need to look for something else if I upgrade to 5080 with their recent woes.
      - CobaltFire 2y ago
        I just have the Alphacool AIO with a second 360 radiator. I’ve done tons of custom stuff but was at a point where I didn’t have the time for a custom loop. Just wanted plug and play. Seen some people talking down the block, but honestly I run 50c under saturated load at 400 watts, +225 core, +600 memory with a hot spot of 60c and VRAM of 62c. Not amazing but it’s not holding the card back. That’s with the Phanteks T30’s at about 1200RPM. Stock cooler I could never get the card stable despite new pads and paste. I was running 280 watts, barely able to run -50 on the core and no offset on memory. That would STILL hit 85c core, 95c hotspot and memory.
- kllrnohj 2y ago
  > There are plenty of AAA games released last years that you can do 4K at 60fps with a RTX 3090 for example. Not when you turn on ray tracing. Also 60fps is pretty low, certainly isn't "high fps" anyway
  - robertfall 2y ago
    This. You can't get high frame rates with path tracing and 4K. It just doesn't happen. You need to enable DLSS and frame gen to get 100fps with more complete ray and path tracing implementations. People might be getting upset because the 4090 is WAY more power than games need, but there are games that try and make use of that power and are actually limited by the 4090. Case in point Cyberpunk and Indiana Jones with path tracing don't get anywhere near 100FPS with native resolution. Now many might say that's just a ridiculous ask, but that's what GP was talking about here. There's no way you'd get more than 10-15fps (if that) with path tracing at 8K.
    - kllrnohj 2y ago
      > Case in point Cyberpunk and Indiana Jones with path tracing don't get anywhere near 100FPS with native resolution. Cyberpunk native 4k + path tracing gets sub-20fps on a 4090 for anyone unfamiliar with how demanding this is. Nvidia's own 5090 announcement video showcased this as getting a whopping... 28 fps: https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Ffv4n65h2rhbe1.png https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Ff...
  - mastax 2y ago
    > Also 60fps is pretty low, certainly isn't "high fps" anyway I’m sure some will disagree with this but most PC gamers I talk to want to be at 90FPS minimum. I’d assume if you’re spending $1600+ on a GPU you’re pretty particular about your experience.
    - bee_rider 2y ago
      I’m so glad I grew up in the n64/xbox era. You save so much money if you are happy at 30fps. And the games look really nice.
marxisttemp 2y ago
Yep. Few AAA games can run at 4K60 at max graphics without upscaling or frame gen on a 4090 without at least occasionally dipping below 60. Also, most monitors sold with VRR (which I would argue is table stakes now) are >60FPS.

diggan 2y ago

> modern games + modern cards can't even do 4k at high fps What "modern games" and "modern cards" are you specifically talking about here? There are plenty of AAA games released last years that you can do 4K at 60fps with a RTX 3090 for example.

philjohn 2y ago
This - latest Call of Duty game on my (albeit water cooled) 3080TI founders edition saw frame rates in the 90-100fps running natively at 4k (no DLSS).
- bavell 2y ago
  Can't CoD do 60+ fps @1080p on a potato nowadays?... not exactly a good reference point.
  - CobaltFire 2y ago
    4k90 is about 6 times that, and he probably has the options turned up. I’d say the comparison is what’s faulty, not the example.
  - sfmike 2y ago
    new cod is really unoptimized. on a few years old 3080 still getting 100 fps on 4k that's pretty great. if he uses some frame gen such as lossless he can get 120-150. Say what you will about nvidia prices but you do get years of great gaming out of them.
- CobaltFire 2y ago
  Honestly my water cooled 3080TI FE has been great. Wish it had more VRAM for VR (DCS, MSFS) but otherwise it’s been great.
  - philjohn 2y ago
    Which block did you go with? I went with the EK Vector special edition which has been great, but need to look for something else if I upgrade to 5080 with their recent woes.
    - CobaltFire 2y ago
      I just have the Alphacool AIO with a second 360 radiator. I’ve done tons of custom stuff but was at a point where I didn’t have the time for a custom loop. Just wanted plug and play. Seen some people talking down the block, but honestly I run 50c under saturated load at 400 watts, +225 core, +600 memory with a hot spot of 60c and VRAM of 62c. Not amazing but it’s not holding the card back. That’s with the Phanteks T30’s at about 1200RPM. Stock cooler I could never get the card stable despite new pads and paste. I was running 280 watts, barely able to run -50 on the core and no offset on memory. That would STILL hit 85c core, 95c hotspot and memory.
kllrnohj 2y ago
> There are plenty of AAA games released last years that you can do 4K at 60fps with a RTX 3090 for example. Not when you turn on ray tracing. Also 60fps is pretty low, certainly isn't "high fps" anyway
- robertfall 2y ago
  This. You can't get high frame rates with path tracing and 4K. It just doesn't happen. You need to enable DLSS and frame gen to get 100fps with more complete ray and path tracing implementations. People might be getting upset because the 4090 is WAY more power than games need, but there are games that try and make use of that power and are actually limited by the 4090. Case in point Cyberpunk and Indiana Jones with path tracing don't get anywhere near 100FPS with native resolution. Now many might say that's just a ridiculous ask, but that's what GP was talking about here. There's no way you'd get more than 10-15fps (if that) with path tracing at 8K.
  - kllrnohj 2y ago
    > Case in point Cyberpunk and Indiana Jones with path tracing don't get anywhere near 100FPS with native resolution. Cyberpunk native 4k + path tracing gets sub-20fps on a 4090 for anyone unfamiliar with how demanding this is. Nvidia's own 5090 announcement video showcased this as getting a whopping... 28 fps: https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Ffv4n65h2rhbe1.png https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Ff...
- mastax 2y ago
  > Also 60fps is pretty low, certainly isn't "high fps" anyway I’m sure some will disagree with this but most PC gamers I talk to want to be at 90FPS minimum. I’d assume if you’re spending $1600+ on a GPU you’re pretty particular about your experience.
  - bee_rider 2y ago
    I’m so glad I grew up in the n64/xbox era. You save so much money if you are happy at 30fps. And the games look really nice.

marxisttemp 2y ago

Yep. Few AAA games can run at 4K60 at max graphics without upscaling or frame gen on a 4090 without at least occasionally dipping below 60. Also, most monitors sold with VRR (which I would argue is table stakes now) are >60FPS.