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>or is there another reason they cannot? I'll never get tired of saying this, extremely incompetent management starting from Shundar (or however that is spelle

>or is there another reason they cannot? I'll never get tired of saying this, extremely incompetent management starting from Shundar (or however that is spelled). I'm quite sure they still have the best talent in the world, but they also have the kind of PM that does those dumb "my day as a PM in San Francisco" stories at the helm, this is the result, maybe a trillion USD worth of value is unrealized because of this.

krisoft 2y ago
> Shundar (or however that is spelled). You could perhaps google it? And then you would learn that his name is spelled Sundar. Also, “that” is not how one refers to human beings or their names. But at least we can know how much to trust your opinion. If you got tired postulating about their management but couldn’t be bothered to ever check the name of their CEO.
- cosmotic 2y ago
  Agreed he could have searched for the spelling, but "that" is probably referring to the word, not the human the word refers to, so "that" seems appropriate here. I would have used "it" ("however it is spelled"). You wouldn't say "however he is spelled". I suppose you could say "however he spells it", but then you're using it to refer to the word in question, putting us back at the start.
  - krisoft 2y ago
    > Agreed he could have searched for the spelling Or just not qualify it. People make typos, nothing wrong with that. But the qualification means they felt they don’t know the spelling but couldn’t be bothered to do the 1 second thing and look it up. It is one of those cases where being confidently wrong is less insulting than being wrong, suspecting that you are wrong but not caring about it. > You wouldn't say "however he is spelled". No. As discussed above I would search for it. But if one has to express this already bad thing one can write “however he spells his name”. I guess the reason i’m sensitive to this is that I’m bored of seeing people performatively mispronounce names. Not saying that is what happened here. In fact it is probably not what happened. Just that it reminded me of that particular kind of uglyness.

krisoft 2y ago

> Shundar (or however that is spelled). You could perhaps google it? And then you would learn that his name is spelled Sundar. Also, “that” is not how one refers to human beings or their names. But at least we can know how much to trust your opinion. If you got tired postulating about their management but couldn’t be bothered to ever check the name of their CEO.

cosmotic 2y ago
Agreed he could have searched for the spelling, but "that" is probably referring to the word, not the human the word refers to, so "that" seems appropriate here. I would have used "it" ("however it is spelled"). You wouldn't say "however he is spelled". I suppose you could say "however he spells it", but then you're using it to refer to the word in question, putting us back at the start.
- krisoft 2y ago
  > Agreed he could have searched for the spelling Or just not qualify it. People make typos, nothing wrong with that. But the qualification means they felt they don’t know the spelling but couldn’t be bothered to do the 1 second thing and look it up. It is one of those cases where being confidently wrong is less insulting than being wrong, suspecting that you are wrong but not caring about it. > You wouldn't say "however he is spelled". No. As discussed above I would search for it. But if one has to express this already bad thing one can write “however he spells his name”. I guess the reason i’m sensitive to this is that I’m bored of seeing people performatively mispronounce names. Not saying that is what happened here. In fact it is probably not what happened. Just that it reminded me of that particular kind of uglyness.