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The officers being battered probably thought it was a threat at the time.

trhway 2y ago
I asked for specific signs/indications showing that these officers perceived a threat. When police officers are battered (as perceived by an outsiders like you or me), and the officers don't indicate perception of threat in any way it means only one thing - they perceive that just as a friendly tussle. That demonstrated absence of perception of threat (despite what you today perceive as "them being battered") is pretty puzzling.
- archagon 2y ago
  > U.S. Capitol Police officer Harry Dunn says that while it’s been two years since rioters attacked the building on Jan. 6, his memories of that day remain fresh and painful. Dunn was outside on the west side of the Capitol, trying to hold the line with other officers, when the sheer number of right-wing rioters began to overwhelm them. Then it was a battle, all day long. “It was a horrific experience, one of the worst days of my life,” Dunn said in an interview with WTOP. “A lot of times, throughout the day, our thoughts were just on survival.” https://wtop.com/dc/2023/01/capitol-police-officer-on-jan-6-one-of-the-worst-days-of-my-life/ https://wtop.com/dc/2023/01/capitol-police-officer-on-jan-6-...
  - trhway 2y ago
    It is statement long after the fact. Where any signs of it on video right at the time and place?
    - archagon 2y ago
      It seems foolish to interpret motives and attitudes based on old footage rather than listening to officers who were actually there. A drowning person doesn't flail around dramatically like you see in the movies. For that matter, did any of the present officers go on to say that there was no perception of threat? The overwhelming consensus from officer interviews seems to be "we got fucked."
      - trhway 2y ago
        >old footage it is hard evidence > rather than listening to officers it is after the fact rationalization indistinguishable from fiction > drowning person doesn't flail around dramatically like you see in the movies. yep. They just disappear and don't appear back for the next 5, 10, 15, ... minutes. That is hard evidence that they drowned. The police did let the Jan 6 protesters into Capitol where the lawmakers were at the time without as much as shooting even just a rubber bullet. That is hard evidence that the police didn't perceive the protesters as a threat. Or do you think they let them in that way while perceiving them as a threat? It was their sworn duty to protect those lawmakers, and the only way their behavior can be explained without that sworn duty being broken is through the absence of perception of threat. (Compare to the Security Service who perceived a threat and shot real guns.) >did any of the present officers go on to say that there was no perception of threat? why would they do that, at least in the past 4 years? Let see what they say in the next 4 years. Btw, even in the last 4 years the police didn't say that they perceived threat to the lawmakers - and i think they really didn't perceived such threat, otherwise i think they would shoot like the Security Service did.
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I asked for specific signs/indications showing that these officers perceived a threat. When police officers are battered (as perceived by an outsiders like you or me), and the officers don't indicate perception of threat in any way it means only one thing - they perceive that just as a friendly tussle. That demonstrated absence of perception of threat (despite what you today perceive as "them being battered") is pretty puzzling.

archagon 2y ago
> U.S. Capitol Police officer Harry Dunn says that while it’s been two years since rioters attacked the building on Jan. 6, his memories of that day remain fresh and painful. Dunn was outside on the west side of the Capitol, trying to hold the line with other officers, when the sheer number of right-wing rioters began to overwhelm them. Then it was a battle, all day long. “It was a horrific experience, one of the worst days of my life,” Dunn said in an interview with WTOP. “A lot of times, throughout the day, our thoughts were just on survival.” https://wtop.com/dc/2023/01/capitol-police-officer-on-jan-6-one-of-the-worst-days-of-my-life/ https://wtop.com/dc/2023/01/capitol-police-officer-on-jan-6-...
- trhway 2y ago
  It is statement long after the fact. Where any signs of it on video right at the time and place?
  - archagon 2y ago
    It seems foolish to interpret motives and attitudes based on old footage rather than listening to officers who were actually there. A drowning person doesn't flail around dramatically like you see in the movies. For that matter, did any of the present officers go on to say that there was no perception of threat? The overwhelming consensus from officer interviews seems to be "we got fucked."
    - trhway 2y ago
      >old footage it is hard evidence > rather than listening to officers it is after the fact rationalization indistinguishable from fiction > drowning person doesn't flail around dramatically like you see in the movies. yep. They just disappear and don't appear back for the next 5, 10, 15, ... minutes. That is hard evidence that they drowned. The police did let the Jan 6 protesters into Capitol where the lawmakers were at the time without as much as shooting even just a rubber bullet. That is hard evidence that the police didn't perceive the protesters as a threat. Or do you think they let them in that way while perceiving them as a threat? It was their sworn duty to protect those lawmakers, and the only way their behavior can be explained without that sworn duty being broken is through the absence of perception of threat. (Compare to the Security Service who perceived a threat and shot real guns.) >did any of the present officers go on to say that there was no perception of threat? why would they do that, at least in the past 4 years? Let see what they say in the next 4 years. Btw, even in the last 4 years the police didn't say that they perceived threat to the lawmakers - and i think they really didn't perceived such threat, otherwise i think they would shoot like the Security Service did.
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