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> also can't afford a house or a middle-class life there. So can you compare cost of living between NYC and Toronto and does the difference in median account f

> also can't afford a house or a middle-class life there. So can you compare cost of living between NYC and Toronto and does the difference in median account for COL difference ? Would be interesting to hear some first hand experiences from people who lived in both or similarly comparable US/Canadian cities. I was under the impression that Chinese investment in Canadian real estate really destroyed the housign market. I feel like the growing popularity of investing in residential real estate is a global phenomena but some markets are more exposed to some effects than others so it's possible to get some intuition on what impacts it.

wk_end 2y ago
Yeah, you're probably - in most regards, depending on various things - better off living in NYC than Toronto (having lived in both). But that's at least a conversation worth having, a comparison worth making. Comparing Canada to the poorest places in America like the person I was replying to was solely on the basis of average wealth only makes sense if you've never been within spitting distance of either.
sudosysgen 2y ago
I have lived in both. It's easier to afford a Canadian home, despite their price, especially in Montreal but even in Toronto, compared to NYC or SF, for the median person. The median household income in NYC is ~80k, vs ~95k in Toronto.
- 3vidence 2y ago
  Canada is much much more geographicly concentrated than the US. Toronto is definitely cheaper than NYC. However Toronto represents a WAYYYY higher percentage of Canadians than NY does. Rough numbers. GTA population ~7 million NYC population ~8.5 million By representation GTA represents 10x the amount of the country that NYC does. Major cities being unaffordable in Canada pretty much means Canada is unaffordable. The same case is not true in the US
  - gnabgib 2y ago
    If you're going to use the GTA @ 7M (6.2 according to wikipedia[0]) you should perhaps use Metro NYC @ 23.5M[1] [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_New_York_City https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_New_York_City
    - 3vidence 2y ago
      That's a fair correction, but it is still approx 3x the proportion of the population. Edit: actually I take that back the metropolitan NY area seems to encompass a much larger area than the GTA and goes across multiple states.
  - sudosysgen 2y ago
    Sure, but on the other hand that's just as true for income in the US, the disparity in average income between major cities and the rest of the US is even sharper than it is in Canada.

wk_end 2y ago

Yeah, you're probably - in most regards, depending on various things - better off living in NYC than Toronto (having lived in both). But that's at least a conversation worth having, a comparison worth making. Comparing Canada to the poorest places in America like the person I was replying to was solely on the basis of average wealth only makes sense if you've never been within spitting distance of either.

sudosysgen 2y ago

I have lived in both. It's easier to afford a Canadian home, despite their price, especially in Montreal but even in Toronto, compared to NYC or SF, for the median person. The median household income in NYC is ~80k, vs ~95k in Toronto.

3vidence 2y ago
Canada is much much more geographicly concentrated than the US. Toronto is definitely cheaper than NYC. However Toronto represents a WAYYYY higher percentage of Canadians than NY does. Rough numbers. GTA population ~7 million NYC population ~8.5 million By representation GTA represents 10x the amount of the country that NYC does. Major cities being unaffordable in Canada pretty much means Canada is unaffordable. The same case is not true in the US
- gnabgib 2y ago
  If you're going to use the GTA @ 7M (6.2 according to wikipedia[0]) you should perhaps use Metro NYC @ 23.5M[1] [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_New_York_City https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_New_York_City
  - 3vidence 2y ago
    That's a fair correction, but it is still approx 3x the proportion of the population. Edit: actually I take that back the metropolitan NY area seems to encompass a much larger area than the GTA and goes across multiple states.
- sudosysgen 2y ago
  Sure, but on the other hand that's just as true for income in the US, the disparity in average income between major cities and the rest of the US is even sharper than it is in Canada.