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>Declaring the Emergency acts was overwhelmingly popular in Canada and remains one of the most popular things Trudeau ever did. Where on earth does this stat c

>Declaring the Emergency acts was overwhelmingly popular in Canada and remains one of the most popular things Trudeau ever did. Where on earth does this stat come from?

b112 2y ago
I don't know, but I live in the NCR, and few I know thought it was right. The real issue was the Ottawa police. The RCMP and OPP were willing to help, and use legal means to clear the blockade. The Ottawa Police dropped the ball, didn't organize, and just made a mess.
- itsoktocry 2y ago
  I'm sure people directly affected agree with you, but it's been downhill for this regime since the trucker protest. We are literally still talking about it, right now. I cannot comprehend how it could be overwhelmingly supported.
  - mlekoszek 2y ago
    To be honest, I can't shake the suspicion that a fair share of the talking is not homegrown. > Facebook stated that they had removed fake users that were set up in overseas content farms, in Romania, Vietnam, and Bangladesh, which were promoting the convoy protests in Canada. (https://ca.news.yahoo.com/u-congress-asks-facebook-role-225804159.html https://ca.news.yahoo.com/u-congress-asks-facebook-role-2258...) > An Economist/YouGov poll conducted from February 12 to 15 found that 80% of Americans had heard of the convoy protests. [...] Among Republicans, 71 per cent supported the convoy protests, compared to 18 per cent of Democrats. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_convoy_protest#Opinion_polls https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_convoy_protest#Opinion_...) When you consider how much attention the convoy got in America, and how sympathies fell on such partisan grounds, it gets more concerning. Suddenly, Canadian politics is a hunting ground for the likes of Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, online bot mobs... I think you see where I’m going. It’s difficult to approach these discussions and not feel like bad-faith actors are artificially making a bugbear out of it. This is especially true when many of the loudest defenders of the convoy weren’t even there, aren't even Canadian, and -- three years later -- may not even be people. That said, I can agree the Emergencies Act probably shouldn't have been used here, and I have question marks about freezing people's bank accounts -- but this is really a conversation actual Canadians should be owning, since it concerns us most directly.
  - ozmodiar 2y ago
    As a Canadian I haven't heard about the trucker protest since they happened. It was bizarre seeing it come up as the top discussion point in this thread and seems like a big mismatch between American and Canadian perception of what's going on.
    - carbine 2y ago
      came here to say the same thing.
    - philistine 2y ago
      ABSOLUTELY! This is clearly what right-wing Americans know of Trudeau and nothing more.
mlekoszek 2y ago
It's definitely not 'overwhelmingly popular,' but polling shows majority support (66%) from Canadians for use of the Emergencies Act at the time of the protest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergencies_Act#Opinion_polling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergencies_Act#Opinion_pollin...
- selfmodruntime 2y ago
  Upon digging, Wikipedia most prominently cites secondary sources here. The first of which is linked to a group called "Maru Group", whose website is dysfunctional. They are owned by Stagwell Marketing, whose CEO, Mark Penn, is directly linked to the US and Canadian Government, and more specifically to companies which were directly hurt by the trucking protest. Maru Group's sampling is tiny, they asked only 1500 people and they give no information on how they gathered this data. Better polls have the numbers of people supporting this measure somewhere around 50%.
  - mlekoszek 2y ago
    That's really great work, thanks -- could you share a link to the 50% polls? This is probably worth porting back to the Wikipedia page to set the record straight.
    - selfmodruntime 2y ago
      They are also in the Wikipedia article, just further down. But what is really interesting is that the 66% source is dominantly cited in almost every single press article on the matter.
  - zahlman 2y ago
    >Upon digging, Wikipedia most prominently cites secondary sources here. That has historically been their explicit policy in general (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_a_tertiary_source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_a_terti...).
    - 2y ago

>Declaring the Emergency acts was overwhelmingly popular in Canada and remains one of the most popular things Trudeau ever did. Where on earth does this stat come from?

b112 2y ago

I don't know, but I live in the NCR, and few I know thought it was right. The real issue was the Ottawa police. The RCMP and OPP were willing to help, and use legal means to clear the blockade. The Ottawa Police dropped the ball, didn't organize, and just made a mess.

itsoktocry 2y ago
I'm sure people directly affected agree with you, but it's been downhill for this regime since the trucker protest. We are literally still talking about it, right now. I cannot comprehend how it could be overwhelmingly supported.
- mlekoszek 2y ago
  To be honest, I can't shake the suspicion that a fair share of the talking is not homegrown. > Facebook stated that they had removed fake users that were set up in overseas content farms, in Romania, Vietnam, and Bangladesh, which were promoting the convoy protests in Canada. (https://ca.news.yahoo.com/u-congress-asks-facebook-role-225804159.html https://ca.news.yahoo.com/u-congress-asks-facebook-role-2258...) > An Economist/YouGov poll conducted from February 12 to 15 found that 80% of Americans had heard of the convoy protests. [...] Among Republicans, 71 per cent supported the convoy protests, compared to 18 per cent of Democrats. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_convoy_protest#Opinion_polls https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_convoy_protest#Opinion_...) When you consider how much attention the convoy got in America, and how sympathies fell on such partisan grounds, it gets more concerning. Suddenly, Canadian politics is a hunting ground for the likes of Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, online bot mobs... I think you see where I’m going. It’s difficult to approach these discussions and not feel like bad-faith actors are artificially making a bugbear out of it. This is especially true when many of the loudest defenders of the convoy weren’t even there, aren't even Canadian, and -- three years later -- may not even be people. That said, I can agree the Emergencies Act probably shouldn't have been used here, and I have question marks about freezing people's bank accounts -- but this is really a conversation actual Canadians should be owning, since it concerns us most directly.
- ozmodiar 2y ago
  As a Canadian I haven't heard about the trucker protest since they happened. It was bizarre seeing it come up as the top discussion point in this thread and seems like a big mismatch between American and Canadian perception of what's going on.
  - carbine 2y ago
    came here to say the same thing.
  - philistine 2y ago
    ABSOLUTELY! This is clearly what right-wing Americans know of Trudeau and nothing more.

mlekoszek 2y ago

It's definitely not 'overwhelmingly popular,' but polling shows majority support (66%) from Canadians for use of the Emergencies Act at the time of the protest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergencies_Act#Opinion_polling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergencies_Act#Opinion_pollin...

selfmodruntime 2y ago
Upon digging, Wikipedia most prominently cites secondary sources here. The first of which is linked to a group called "Maru Group", whose website is dysfunctional. They are owned by Stagwell Marketing, whose CEO, Mark Penn, is directly linked to the US and Canadian Government, and more specifically to companies which were directly hurt by the trucking protest. Maru Group's sampling is tiny, they asked only 1500 people and they give no information on how they gathered this data. Better polls have the numbers of people supporting this measure somewhere around 50%.
- mlekoszek 2y ago
  That's really great work, thanks -- could you share a link to the 50% polls? This is probably worth porting back to the Wikipedia page to set the record straight.
  - selfmodruntime 2y ago
    They are also in the Wikipedia article, just further down. But what is really interesting is that the 66% source is dominantly cited in almost every single press article on the matter.
- zahlman 2y ago
  >Upon digging, Wikipedia most prominently cites secondary sources here. That has historically been their explicit policy in general (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_a_tertiary_source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_a_terti...).
  - 2y ago