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What Parler Saw During the Attack on the Capitol
- Zpalmtree 2y ago[flagged]
- littleweep 2y agoA reminder: if you are ever caught in a mob be wary of taking on a mob mentality
- worik 2y ago> A reminder: if you are ever caught in a mob be wary of taking on a mob mentality That explains a few things in IT: * Windows (in all its incarnations) * Node.js: Mass delusion of ever there was * .NET Why was that exactly? Nobody explained * C++ since 1997. What you can do to a fabulous language by making it more fabulous, and more fabulous, and more fabulous, and more fabulous, and more fabulous..... * Computers in general. What actual good have they ever done.....
- trhway 2y agowhat is still a big puzzle is why police didn't draw weapons during such a violent attack. Usually police, the DC one including, would draw weapons and shoot at the smallest perception of even smallest disobedience like say even when a pregnant woman just wouldn't follow their commands, yet during Capitol attack the police behaved completely different. From various videos it seems that the police didn't perceive any threat there at the time.
- BadHumans 2y agoYou can't expect the police to shoot their own. Capitol security are the ones that opened the gates to let people in. Biden said it best, if the majority of these people were black there wouldn't any talk of pardons or calling it a peaceful protest.
- jazzyjackson 2y agoJust want to nitpick that some capitol security opened some gates to let some people in. Other barriers were overrun relatively violently. This IMO lead to quite a lot of confusion/obfuscation over whether this was a riot or a "peaceful tour of the capitol"
- jstrong 2y agohttps://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2020/08/931/523/CNN-Headline-Fiery-2.jpg?ve=1&tl=1 https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/conte...
- Onavo 2y agoBecause the people they were facing believed too much in the spirit of their second amendment rights and would happily mob and send the cops back to their maker. The people with ARs are not inner city kids who can be easily bullied and abused.
- BadHumans 2y agoSecret service killed one of them and they scattered like roaches.
- rhcom2 2y agoWhen you're outnumbered and draw a gun there is a very high chance of it being taken from you. I think they made the correct decision to retreat in the face of mostly non-violent but overwhelming numbers of rioters. There was obviously one infamous use of force during the whole thing though (Ashli Babbitt) but the police were in a much difference situation than the situation Office Eugene Goodman was in.
- notahacker 2y agoDoesn't seem that puzzling. The world was watching how America transferred power; they didn't want to look like the ones escalating, particularly not when vastly outnumbered by a mob that had arms of their own.
- Ancapistani 2y ago> a mob that had arms of their own Source? While I’m sure there were people who carried illegally present, I don’t recall seeing anything about people being arrested or cited for carrying - or for that matter, anyone who claimed to have carried after the fact.
- piva00 2y ago> In the wake of the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, a popular narrative has emerged: that because rioters did not fire guns that day, they were not really "armed." > But a review of the federal charges against the alleged rioters shows that they did come armed, and with a variety of weapons: stun guns, pepper spray, baseball bats and flagpoles wielded as clubs. An additional suspect also allegedly planted pipe bombs by the headquarters of the Democratic and Republican parties the night before the riot and remains at large. https://www.npr.org/2021/03/19/977879589/yes-capitol-rioters-were-armed-here-are-the-weapons-prosecutors-say-they-used https://www.npr.org/2021/03/19/977879589/yes-capitol-rioters...
- whamlastxmas 2y agoThe pipe bombs were unbelievably fake looking and could have easily been a false flag, the whole story around that is so suspicious. The law enforcement sources declined to even confirm that they were real
- throwy1 2y agoIf what you said is true, they should have known about the threat once the cop was killed. So they know the threat. They just did not use force because of the race of the people and the fact that they are the president's supporters. Very simple
- pests 2y ago> From various videos it seems that the police didn't perceive any threat there at the time. Did we watch the same videos? Did you see any footage from the tunnel?
- trhway 2y agoJust watched. Typical crowd control in the style police use when the crowd perceived as peaceful and non-threatening. No any indication that the police perceived situation as threatening. If you see any sign that the police, right there at the time, perceived situation as threatening, please point to such a sign(s).
- ericjmorey 2y agoThe officers being battered probably thought it was a threat at the time.
- trhway 2y agoI asked for specific signs/indications showing that these officers perceived a threat. When police officers are battered (as perceived by an outsiders like you or me), and the officers don't indicate perception of threat in any way it means only one thing - they perceive that just as a friendly tussle. That demonstrated absence of perception of threat (despite what you today perceive as "them being battered") is pretty puzzling.
- archagon 2y ago> U.S. Capitol Police officer Harry Dunn says that while it’s been two years since rioters attacked the building on Jan. 6, his memories of that day remain fresh and painful. Dunn was outside on the west side of the Capitol, trying to hold the line with other officers, when the sheer number of right-wing rioters began to overwhelm them. Then it was a battle, all day long. “It was a horrific experience, one of the worst days of my life,” Dunn said in an interview with WTOP. “A lot of times, throughout the day, our thoughts were just on survival.” https://wtop.com/dc/2023/01/capitol-police-officer-on-jan-6-one-of-the-worst-days-of-my-life/ https://wtop.com/dc/2023/01/capitol-police-officer-on-jan-6-...
- xboxnolifes 2y agoIs it a puzzle? It seems like how it should go, and be an example for more violent responses to learn from. You shouldn't escalate a situation unnecessarily.
- text0404 2y agomost likely because the police that let them in were complicit? do you not remember someone getting killed when they tried to breach the inner chambers? what's the point that you're circling here? that these people were there to take a tour of the capitol and the gallows, weapons, and IEDs they brought and chants of "hang mike pence" were just jokes? based on the fact that outnumbered police didn't open fire on the crowd? just come out and say it. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iludfj6Pe7w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iludfj6Pe7w - https://apnews.com/article/capitol-siege-florida-virginia-conspiracy-government-and-politics-6ac80882e8cf61af36be6c46252ac24c https://apnews.com/article/capitol-siege-florida-virginia-co...
- trhway 2y agoso, outnumbered police didn't open fire on the crowd and let that crowd into the Capitol (where lawmakers and Mike Pence were present) despite the crowd having weapons and IEDs and chanting "hang mike pence". That doesn't compute. If the police had any suspicion of weapons and IEDs or were perceiving the chant as anything but a joke or were perceiving any threat to other people in the Capitol i'm sure they would have opened fire.
- whamlastxmas 2y agoThere were no IEDs
- text0404 2y agothere were: https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/29/politics/washington-pipe-bombs-dnc-rnc/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/29/politics/washington-pipe-bomb... https://www.reuters.com/world/us/oath-keeper-brought-explosives-dc-ahead-jan-6-attack-prosecutor-says-2022-07-09/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/oath-keeper-brought-explosi...
- 93po 2y ago"Benedict wouldn’t offer a description of the devices or say what materials they contained, but a law enforcement official familiar with the matter said they contained an explosive powder and were set to go off via the timer." and "It’s still unknown why the devices did not explode, the official said. One theory under investigation is that the timers were set incorrectly. Another is that the batteries may have been improperly connected, the official said" Go google pictures of the "pipe bomb". It is cartoonishly stupid looking. It's using a mechanical kitchen timer, that has no electricity or battery, as the ignition for $0.50 of pipe from Home Depot will with, if I had to guess, powder from roadside fireworks. Everything is connected with alligator clips, not even real wiring or soldering, and in one photo one clip is clearly attached to plastic. This isn't a bomb, it's a firework with a non-existent detonator, and the law enforcement is deliberately vague about because they know it isn't a bomb, but that's no the narrative they want. It's not even clear how they knew anything at all about the devices considering they used a EOD robot to destroy it on-site. Why are the not-bombs in plain sight? Not even attempted to be hidden? Why does is it designed to cartoonishly look like a bomb and not disguised as literally anything else? Why not put it in, I don't know, a plastic grocery bag at least? Why put it in a completely empty alley where there would be virtually no one around to be hurt? This was designed to cause a scare, not hurt anyone. It screams false flag to me, and it worked, because every media outlet reported this as a bomb with zero critical thought or journalism involved, and the entire world now thinks there were bombs when it seems absurdly obvious there wasn't.
- josteink 2y ago> what is still a big puzzle is why police didn't draw weapons during such a violent attack. Usually police, the DC one including, would draw weapons and shoot at the smallest perception of even smallest disobedience There’s video evidence that police were the first to fire, specifically teargas into a reasonably obedient crowd. It’s after this happened things started escalating.
- rhcom2 2y agoCertainly nice of them to create all that evidence while committing a crime.
- worik 2y ago> Certainly nice of them to create all that evidence while committing a crime. But soon it will not have been a crime....
- klipt 2y agoThat's democracy for you, the majority can vote to criminalize or decriminalize anything...
- amanaplanacanal 2y agoIt says something that people are so afraid of the direction a country is going that they are willing to forgive an attempt to overthrow an election. It would be wise for us to try to figure out what is really going on there, because I expect it to get worse before it gets better.
- josteink 2y ago> willing to forgive an attempt to overthrow an election Alternate view: protesting an election they deem to be rigged. Since 2020, especially after the 2024 election results came in, theres now even more evidence to suggests democrats rigged the election. If you believe a election to be illegitimately stolen, is it not appropriate to demonstrate against such an crime? I’m baffled how someone can find this to be anything except the right thing to do.
- delichon 2y agoSocial media and smart phones provide the kind of quantum leap in the technology of history that the written word once did. I hope these videos make it into the national archive.
- disqard 2y agoIt's a step change, for sure. I'm seeing signs that they might be propelling us into a post-literate society.
- josteink 2y ago[flagged]
- nobody9999 2y ago>What am I missing? "many Black Lives Matter protesters did face consequences. Estimates vary, but news outlets reported thousands of protesters were arrested in the months following Floyd’s death in May 2020. A June 22, 2020, article from The Washington Post tallied over 14,000 arrests made since May 27. The Hill reported over 17,000 arrests had been made in the first two weeks of protests."[0] [0] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/02/22/fact-check-thousands-black-lives-matter-protesters-arrested-2020/6816074001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/02/22/fac...
- ipv6ipv4 2y agoThe capitol coup attempt was part of Trump’s coordinated effort to end the republic. The BLM riots were an aimless mob of malcontents.
- archagon 2y agoThe BLM protests: * were triggered by a horrifying, highly visible racial crime * were not centrally coordinated * were not instigated by the sitting president * did not try to overthrow the lawfully elected government In other words, two completely different events in terms of cause, scope, and effect. Or are you under the impression that the BLM protests were some sort of Democratic Party operation?
- pkkkzip 2y agoThey were idolizing a serial criminal and was abusing drugs. He had fentanyl in his mouth from video evidence. This doesn't detract against racial crimes perpetrated by law enforcement but a movement pushing for that messaging should not rally behind a hardcore criminal. There are also additional evidence that show BLM received funding from central sources and the leaders of that movement were all convicted of financial misconduct and fraud. The BLM movement was used to start defund the police movement calling them pigs and letting crime run rampant. This is the updated consensus from those in the center who have been watching both sides of the spectrum argue and try to detract facts from conjecture.
- flobosg 2y ago(2021)
- pkkkzip 2y agoI think this is a very important point. The political wind have shifted to the right. Polymarket is already showing strong likelihood of Trump pardoning those involved in Jan 6. I'm not really sure its helpful to discuss this polarized issue on HN however. If anything, whatever HN thinks has very little bearing on influencing US political scene, same reason Reddit was completely taken by surprise after creating an echo chamber to hear what they wanted to hear. I feel that similar political chambers are created on HN and its not useful.
- archagon 2y agoPolitical influence aside, the website is quite interesting and novel. Great for people who say they "want to do their own research."
- adamrezich 2y agoWhat makes you say that “whatever HN thinks” does not have any bearing on what the President-elect will or will not do—yet whatever Polymarket “is already showing” does? Unless there's something significant that I'm missing, the two seem to be roughly equivalent in terms of having any sort of direct insight into or influence on the future actions of our President-elect.
- pkkkzip 2y ago> What makes you say that “whatever HN thinks” does not have any bearing on what the President-elect will or will not do because he doesn't read HN?
- adamrezich 2y agoThis is going to be a very entertaining thread—it's always interesting to see how people think about these sorts of things years later, and whether or not they've reevaluated how they thought about things at the time. Previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25833486 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25833486 (January 19th, 2021)
- tennisflyi 2y agoI wish I screen recorded it all on Twitch but I was too taken aback