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Unemployment during his term besides covid was at record lows and still below the historic average of 7.5%. https://www.statista.com/statistics/808294/unemploy

by adrr 2y ago

Unemployment during his term besides covid was at record lows and still below the historic average of 7.5%. https://www.statista.com/statistics/808294/unemployment-rate-in-canada/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/808294/unemployment-rate...

loceng 2y ago
He increased size of Federal government by 43% since 2015 - from Grok: "By March 31, 2024, the federal government's payroll included 367,772 employees, up from 257,034 in 2015." That's 110,738 new people on pay roll - but not that are actually productive for the economy, they are counted but are not the same as free market jobs - they're actually the opposite and a negative to the economy. This also doesn't account for the economic harm and suffocation to local Canadians already here struggling to find work, much of the work instead going to the millions of temporary foreign workers and those on student visas.
- SirSavary 2y ago
  You’re conflating separate issues here—federal employment growth, economic productivity, and temporary foreign workers (TFWs)—in an attempt to overwhelm the conversation. First off, the claim of ‘millions of TFWs’ is pure hyperbole. TFWs currently make up around 4.1% of the workforce [1], or roughly 1.1M workers—not ‘millions.’ Ironically, if TFWs are such a large share of the workforce, the federal job increase (~110,000) seems even less significant by comparison. And it’s odd that Grok is used to cite federal employment numbers, but you conveniently ignore its data on TFWs or international students, who are key contributors to Canada’s economy. Cherry-picking data like this only distracts from the real issues. [1] https://www.statcan.gc.ca/o1/en/plus/7457-temporary-foreign-workers-canada-explained https://www.statcan.gc.ca/o1/en/plus/7457-temporary-foreign-...
  - loceng 2y ago
    I referenced TFW + student visas. Otherwise you missed my points of the economic harm of TFWs displacing Canadians already here looking for work but won't accept work The same "debate" is going on passionately in the US in regards to the H-1B program. Otherwise I'll avoid engaging further with you since you "cherrypicked" what you read of mine, and then you try to subtly demonize/put me down by claiming "in an attempt to overwhelm the conversation."
- tills13 2y ago
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  - loceng 2y ago
    I knew roughly what the numbers should be, and Grok had the correct answer. Does your comment add anything to the conversation?
    - tills13 2y ago
      Yes. Please use and cite primary sources.
3vidence 2y ago
Two things. The link you posted doesn't agree with statcan's website https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/241206/dq241206a-eng.htm https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/241206/dq241... Second it's hard to compare unemployment rates to 10 years ago with the rise of the gig economy. "Employment" ain't what it used to be

by adrr 2y ago

loceng 2y ago

He increased size of Federal government by 43% since 2015 - from Grok: "By March 31, 2024, the federal government's payroll included 367,772 employees, up from 257,034 in 2015." That's 110,738 new people on pay roll - but not that are actually productive for the economy, they are counted but are not the same as free market jobs - they're actually the opposite and a negative to the economy. This also doesn't account for the economic harm and suffocation to local Canadians already here struggling to find work, much of the work instead going to the millions of temporary foreign workers and those on student visas.

SirSavary 2y ago
You’re conflating separate issues here—federal employment growth, economic productivity, and temporary foreign workers (TFWs)—in an attempt to overwhelm the conversation. First off, the claim of ‘millions of TFWs’ is pure hyperbole. TFWs currently make up around 4.1% of the workforce [1], or roughly 1.1M workers—not ‘millions.’ Ironically, if TFWs are such a large share of the workforce, the federal job increase (~110,000) seems even less significant by comparison. And it’s odd that Grok is used to cite federal employment numbers, but you conveniently ignore its data on TFWs or international students, who are key contributors to Canada’s economy. Cherry-picking data like this only distracts from the real issues. [1] https://www.statcan.gc.ca/o1/en/plus/7457-temporary-foreign-workers-canada-explained https://www.statcan.gc.ca/o1/en/plus/7457-temporary-foreign-...
- loceng 2y ago
  I referenced TFW + student visas. Otherwise you missed my points of the economic harm of TFWs displacing Canadians already here looking for work but won't accept work The same "debate" is going on passionately in the US in regards to the H-1B program. Otherwise I'll avoid engaging further with you since you "cherrypicked" what you read of mine, and then you try to subtly demonize/put me down by claiming "in an attempt to overwhelm the conversation."
tills13 2y ago
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- loceng 2y ago
  I knew roughly what the numbers should be, and Grok had the correct answer. Does your comment add anything to the conversation?
  - tills13 2y ago
    Yes. Please use and cite primary sources.

3vidence 2y ago

Two things. The link you posted doesn't agree with statcan's website https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/241206/dq241206a-eng.htm https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/241206/dq241... Second it's hard to compare unemployment rates to 10 years ago with the rise of the gig economy. "Employment" ain't what it used to be