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The lowest bidder thing has always upset me. Either they are delusional or they are lying. If they understand the domain, they are going to sell you a system th

The lowest bidder thing has always upset me. Either they are delusional or they are lying. If they understand the domain, they are going to sell you a system they built for someone else. Or they think the system they build for you can be resold to someone with deeper pockets. In which case they will push and push for you not to make it too niche. Sometimes prebuilt is exactly what you need, but only sometimes, and that’s not what you paid for.

jazzyjackson 2y ago
The term is Lowest Price Technically Acceptable, gov't ought to be pickier (/have more domain knowledge) with what is acceptable.
- hinkley 2y ago
  Once upon a time I knew a guy who claimed to know people who took the second lowest bid, figuring the lowest build was full-on crank and the second was only slightly unhinged. I didn't know that guy long enough to find out how that worked out for his friend long-term.
- IX-103 2y ago
  The PMs only have a 3-5 year term. They can't be taken from the companies that bid due to conflicts of interest, so they rarely are in charge of an area they have expertise in. How long would it take you to get enough technical domain knowledge in a new field to actually see through a professional PowerPointer that's polished their technological turd for decades? There's supposed to be a set of contractors that the PM refers to for technical advice that also provide continuity over longer terms, but the pay is not really competitive (due to budget cuts) so there's more churn and less talent than there used to be.
  - V_Terranova_Jr 2y ago
    I'm sorry, but this is basically incorrect on every point other than the limited tenure. Source: I work in this sector. PMs often come directly from industry. Once they do, there is a period over which they are not allowed to make direct decisions that affect their previous company, but the previous company is free to bid on that PM's programs and speak with that PM. When these conflict of interest situations arise, the office appoints a delegate PM to make decisions associated with that company. There are absolutely varying qualities of PM, but the majority of them would be considered a domain expert or subject matter expert in some technical area. Standard practice is for a new DARPA PM to inherit existing programs that are already executing as the old PM finishes their tenure. When a PM leaves, the office tries to hand the executing programs to a new PM who knows something about that field (or is an expert). That doesn't always happen, for various reasons, but they do try to do it that way. There is a large contractor staff that does a lot of heavy lifting on both technical and programmatic fronts. The PM is the decision-maker, but the contractor staff are integral. These contractor jobs can pay quite well for senior staff or technical experts. Maybe not FAMANG software developer salaries, but particularly for topics in the physical domain, the salaries can be significantly higher than the equivalent role in industry.
ThenAsNow 2y ago
There are different solicitation types. Not everything is Lowest Price, Technically Acceptable (LPTA). LPTA is not usually the solicitation types for anything R&D. It's more for "commodities", like tires, or bids against things with very detailed specs, like construction/infrastructure projects. That said, it's a fair criticism that procurement specs are often poorly written, and the evaluation processes insufficiently rigorous.
Rebelgecko 2y ago
Maybe it's just where I've worked in the past, but "lowest bidder" contracts actually seemed relatively uncommon. Most big projects were "best value" (which still has some downsides)

jazzyjackson 2y ago

The term is Lowest Price Technically Acceptable, gov't ought to be pickier (/have more domain knowledge) with what is acceptable.

hinkley 2y ago
Once upon a time I knew a guy who claimed to know people who took the second lowest bid, figuring the lowest build was full-on crank and the second was only slightly unhinged. I didn't know that guy long enough to find out how that worked out for his friend long-term.
IX-103 2y ago
The PMs only have a 3-5 year term. They can't be taken from the companies that bid due to conflicts of interest, so they rarely are in charge of an area they have expertise in. How long would it take you to get enough technical domain knowledge in a new field to actually see through a professional PowerPointer that's polished their technological turd for decades? There's supposed to be a set of contractors that the PM refers to for technical advice that also provide continuity over longer terms, but the pay is not really competitive (due to budget cuts) so there's more churn and less talent than there used to be.
- V_Terranova_Jr 2y ago
  I'm sorry, but this is basically incorrect on every point other than the limited tenure. Source: I work in this sector. PMs often come directly from industry. Once they do, there is a period over which they are not allowed to make direct decisions that affect their previous company, but the previous company is free to bid on that PM's programs and speak with that PM. When these conflict of interest situations arise, the office appoints a delegate PM to make decisions associated with that company. There are absolutely varying qualities of PM, but the majority of them would be considered a domain expert or subject matter expert in some technical area. Standard practice is for a new DARPA PM to inherit existing programs that are already executing as the old PM finishes their tenure. When a PM leaves, the office tries to hand the executing programs to a new PM who knows something about that field (or is an expert). That doesn't always happen, for various reasons, but they do try to do it that way. There is a large contractor staff that does a lot of heavy lifting on both technical and programmatic fronts. The PM is the decision-maker, but the contractor staff are integral. These contractor jobs can pay quite well for senior staff or technical experts. Maybe not FAMANG software developer salaries, but particularly for topics in the physical domain, the salaries can be significantly higher than the equivalent role in industry.

ThenAsNow 2y ago

There are different solicitation types. Not everything is Lowest Price, Technically Acceptable (LPTA). LPTA is not usually the solicitation types for anything R&D. It's more for "commodities", like tires, or bids against things with very detailed specs, like construction/infrastructure projects. That said, it's a fair criticism that procurement specs are often poorly written, and the evaluation processes insufficiently rigorous.

Rebelgecko 2y ago

Maybe it's just where I've worked in the past, but "lowest bidder" contracts actually seemed relatively uncommon. Most big projects were "best value" (which still has some downsides)