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People are commenting about "no new features as a feature", and I agree, but even better is this: > People shouldn’t feel pressure to upgrade htmx over time un

People are commenting about "no new features as a feature", and I agree, but even better is this: > People shouldn’t feel pressure to upgrade htmx over time unless there are specific bugs that they want fixed Frickin A! Nice to see somebody pushing back against the trend of "if you haven't updated your software in the last five minutes you're on an unsupported configuration".

ofrzeta 2y ago
So if you have a project that uses a (even small) number of libraries, how to you keep track of being affected of some specific bug of some library?
- itishappy 2y ago
  You submit a bug report and (assumedly) get a fast response because they explicitly prioritize fixing bugs over adding new features.
  - ofrzeta 2y ago
    I guess in most cases you will be affected by bugs that you did not notice let alone report.
    - itishappy 2y ago
      More reason to prefer a more deliberate release cycle! Focusing on security and stability restricts the area available to bugs significantly more than chasing hot new features all the time.
      - EasyMark 2y ago
        And also helps make for minimal changes when you ultimately find you need to move on from your current version. Probably why a lot of people stick with emacs/vim/whatever over every new fangled editor that comes out
- ploxiln 2y ago
  A) New library versions are roughly as likely to introduce new bugs, as they are likely to fix old bugs. (If not, why are there still so many updates, you should be running out of bugs ...) B) If you run into a bug, update that library, then look into fixing it and offering a PR with the fix. Easy-peasy. Compared to: oh this is a bug in a library that's fixed in an update ... but then we need to update another library it depends on, but that requires an update to nodejs, but that requires us to update some other libraries, which introduce a new more serious regression, so we can't unless we re-write to remove that dependency ...
abirch 2y ago
The classical joke: Why programmers like cooking: You peel the carrot, you chop the carrot, you put the carrot in the stew. You don't suddenly find out that your peeler is several versions behind and they dropped support for carrots in 4.3

ofrzeta 2y ago

So if you have a project that uses a (even small) number of libraries, how to you keep track of being affected of some specific bug of some library?

itishappy 2y ago
You submit a bug report and (assumedly) get a fast response because they explicitly prioritize fixing bugs over adding new features.
- ofrzeta 2y ago
  I guess in most cases you will be affected by bugs that you did not notice let alone report.
  - itishappy 2y ago
    More reason to prefer a more deliberate release cycle! Focusing on security and stability restricts the area available to bugs significantly more than chasing hot new features all the time.
    - EasyMark 2y ago
      And also helps make for minimal changes when you ultimately find you need to move on from your current version. Probably why a lot of people stick with emacs/vim/whatever over every new fangled editor that comes out
ploxiln 2y ago
A) New library versions are roughly as likely to introduce new bugs, as they are likely to fix old bugs. (If not, why are there still so many updates, you should be running out of bugs ...) B) If you run into a bug, update that library, then look into fixing it and offering a PR with the fix. Easy-peasy. Compared to: oh this is a bug in a library that's fixed in an update ... but then we need to update another library it depends on, but that requires an update to nodejs, but that requires us to update some other libraries, which introduce a new more serious regression, so we can't unless we re-write to remove that dependency ...

abirch 2y ago

The classical joke: Why programmers like cooking: You peel the carrot, you chop the carrot, you put the carrot in the stew. You don't suddenly find out that your peeler is several versions behind and they dropped support for carrots in 4.3