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I'm rising 3 kids (in France, I don't know if it changes much). We have banned TV, very heavily restricted phones, and we closely follow homework. I'm persuaded

I'm rising 3 kids (in France, I don't know if it changes much). We have banned TV, very heavily restricted phones, and we closely follow homework. I'm persuaded it makes a difference wrt parents that don't do that, but somehow isn't a sure fire way of being a "great parent".

jjk7 2y ago
We're in Canada; doing the same. But most of my kids' classmates are on YouTube all the time. The brainrot content is unavoidable and it's creating issues for my kids' socialization.
- texuf 2y ago
  My parents didn't get me a nintendo when I was a child. My socialization also suffered, but I ended up with a job making AAA games and they did not so I consider it a fair trade now that I'm older.
Pet_Ant 2y ago
I don't know how that helps. Watching TV with my kid has been the best way to teach him I've found. There are great videos and shows that you can watch together and then discuss afterwords. Baking videos. Chemistry. Physics. History. Seeing something on TV is great way to fire up the imagination and inspiration for real world activities.
- wngr 2y ago
  I totally agree with you, but those shows are not what parent means.
  - travisporter 2y ago
    Yeah agreed. Really a ton of kids with tablets everytime I go out for dinner
    - Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
      Restaurants is a few places where a tablet is a godsend. Children aren't always involved in adults conversations, so they get (obviously) bored at the table. A tablet guarantees some time off to the parents. Now obviously is a problem if you go to the restaurant often, in our case it's once every few months and having them watching a movie makes going to the restaurant possible again (we waited 6 years before we could)
      - mercurialuser 2y ago
        Don't want to start a flame but what is missing to the children is exactly being bored. We used to bring paper and pen to have them draw.
        Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
        That's totally fine. My children get plenty of boring time, sometimes they get creative, sometimes they do not. When they are creative, their creation is not always compatible with the environment (too noisy, too active). Not all children like drawing either. Tablet is consistent, which is helpful when going to a restaurant. Just to be clear, I use tablet only as a tv, I don't allow any games, too many exploits child's mind. If I went more often to the restaurant, it would make sense to have different activities though, you are right. We go maybe once every 2-3 months, so the tablet was acceptable. It has become way too expensive eating out.
      - serf 2y ago
        >Restaurants is a few places where a tablet is a godsend. Children aren't always involved in adults conversations, so they get (obviously) bored at the table. A tablet guarantees some time off to the parents. as a fellow restaurant patron : I don't care that your kid is bored or if you can't afford a baby-sitter -- what I do care about is listening to the latest baby shark or whatever other youtube-brainrot-babysitter-program blaring near me while I'm trying to eat my linguini. When I was younger if you brought a loud/obnoxious kid to dinner at a restaurant it was a sign that either you were inexperienced as parents or too poor to afford a baby-sitter (which then raises questions about eating out..), or otherwise didn't give a fuck about appearances or anyone else near you. Also : not all kids are bored by what adults are doing, and a big part of getting good at those kind of conversations and 'adult actions' later in life is fueled by social mimicry and third party practice; to dismiss all children from such activities by directing their attention towards whatever the closest thing that minimizes parenting time and effort is , imo, likely damaging. But, at the end of the day I gotta throw my arms up and say "Well, i'm not a parent." -- but it just seems obvious to me as a bystander that this level of forced autonomy and independence for smaller children reduces any chance that a kid will say "Mom, what does that word you just used mean?" and actually learn something from a novel experience. It reduces the amount the kids will read the faces of strangers and make social decisions. It reduces the chance that a kid will make a social faux pas slip and require corrections preventing it in the future. It does, however, keep a kid busy , often annoying everyone else, while you gossip. I'm not sure that's supposed to be the end goal here.
- Salgat 2y ago
  This is what we do. The kids don't get unlimited access to TV, but rather curated access to educational material, but we limit tv altogether on weekdays and they only get ipads at the restaurant. On the weekends they can watch a few fun movies in the afternoon.
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
  Could you recommend some? This sounds great!
- laylower 2y ago
  Could you recommend a few? I've found I need to very heavily curate these for my 6yo
  - Pet_Ant 2y ago
    For a 6 year old I'd start with The Action Lab AntsCanada BizarreBeasts HowToMakeEverything PrimitiveTechnology TierZoo but we've more moved onto AlphaPhoenix BPS Space NileRed PBS Space Time Periodic Videos Veritasium
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peoplefromibiza 2y ago
kids should be kids and do what other kids are doing, even if it's watching TV or playing video games, unless it’s something truly harmful. watching TV hasn't killed anyone and my generation, who grew up in front of the TV screen for lack of better alternatives, turned out just fine. The real issue now is with my parents’ generation, but that’s because they’re old and their mindset has become immutable, not because they watched too much TV. TV tends to reinforce existing biases rather than create new ones. IMO your kids will grow up thinking that TV is bad, and while it's mostly true that 'the medium is the message', they’re missing out on the opportunity to learn how to deal with it. It’s like a vaccine — it helps them build resilience.
- neuralRiot 2y ago
  >watching TV hasn't killed anyone and my generation, who grew up in front of the TV screen for lack of better alternatives, turned out just fine. I don’t think any previous generation kids spend as much time in front of the TV as they do with the screens today, sadly the damage will only be seen when it is done. The difference is mainly the content, as bad as TV could have been in the past at least there was someone responsible and liable for the content put “on air” instead on the internet your child brain is at the mercy of the algorithm.
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jjk7 2y ago

We're in Canada; doing the same. But most of my kids' classmates are on YouTube all the time. The brainrot content is unavoidable and it's creating issues for my kids' socialization.

texuf 2y ago
My parents didn't get me a nintendo when I was a child. My socialization also suffered, but I ended up with a job making AAA games and they did not so I consider it a fair trade now that I'm older.

Pet_Ant 2y ago

I don't know how that helps. Watching TV with my kid has been the best way to teach him I've found. There are great videos and shows that you can watch together and then discuss afterwords. Baking videos. Chemistry. Physics. History. Seeing something on TV is great way to fire up the imagination and inspiration for real world activities.

wngr 2y ago
I totally agree with you, but those shows are not what parent means.
- travisporter 2y ago
  Yeah agreed. Really a ton of kids with tablets everytime I go out for dinner
  - Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
    Restaurants is a few places where a tablet is a godsend. Children aren't always involved in adults conversations, so they get (obviously) bored at the table. A tablet guarantees some time off to the parents. Now obviously is a problem if you go to the restaurant often, in our case it's once every few months and having them watching a movie makes going to the restaurant possible again (we waited 6 years before we could)
    - mercurialuser 2y ago
      Don't want to start a flame but what is missing to the children is exactly being bored. We used to bring paper and pen to have them draw.
      - Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
        That's totally fine. My children get plenty of boring time, sometimes they get creative, sometimes they do not. When they are creative, their creation is not always compatible with the environment (too noisy, too active). Not all children like drawing either. Tablet is consistent, which is helpful when going to a restaurant. Just to be clear, I use tablet only as a tv, I don't allow any games, too many exploits child's mind. If I went more often to the restaurant, it would make sense to have different activities though, you are right. We go maybe once every 2-3 months, so the tablet was acceptable. It has become way too expensive eating out.
    - serf 2y ago
      >Restaurants is a few places where a tablet is a godsend. Children aren't always involved in adults conversations, so they get (obviously) bored at the table. A tablet guarantees some time off to the parents. as a fellow restaurant patron : I don't care that your kid is bored or if you can't afford a baby-sitter -- what I do care about is listening to the latest baby shark or whatever other youtube-brainrot-babysitter-program blaring near me while I'm trying to eat my linguini. When I was younger if you brought a loud/obnoxious kid to dinner at a restaurant it was a sign that either you were inexperienced as parents or too poor to afford a baby-sitter (which then raises questions about eating out..), or otherwise didn't give a fuck about appearances or anyone else near you. Also : not all kids are bored by what adults are doing, and a big part of getting good at those kind of conversations and 'adult actions' later in life is fueled by social mimicry and third party practice; to dismiss all children from such activities by directing their attention towards whatever the closest thing that minimizes parenting time and effort is , imo, likely damaging. But, at the end of the day I gotta throw my arms up and say "Well, i'm not a parent." -- but it just seems obvious to me as a bystander that this level of forced autonomy and independence for smaller children reduces any chance that a kid will say "Mom, what does that word you just used mean?" and actually learn something from a novel experience. It reduces the amount the kids will read the faces of strangers and make social decisions. It reduces the chance that a kid will make a social faux pas slip and require corrections preventing it in the future. It does, however, keep a kid busy , often annoying everyone else, while you gossip. I'm not sure that's supposed to be the end goal here.
Salgat 2y ago
This is what we do. The kids don't get unlimited access to TV, but rather curated access to educational material, but we limit tv altogether on weekdays and they only get ipads at the restaurant. On the weekends they can watch a few fun movies in the afternoon.
Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
Could you recommend some? This sounds great!
laylower 2y ago
Could you recommend a few? I've found I need to very heavily curate these for my 6yo
- Pet_Ant 2y ago
  For a 6 year old I'd start with The Action Lab AntsCanada BizarreBeasts HowToMakeEverything PrimitiveTechnology TierZoo but we've more moved onto AlphaPhoenix BPS Space NileRed PBS Space Time Periodic Videos Veritasium

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peoplefromibiza 2y ago

kids should be kids and do what other kids are doing, even if it's watching TV or playing video games, unless it’s something truly harmful. watching TV hasn't killed anyone and my generation, who grew up in front of the TV screen for lack of better alternatives, turned out just fine. The real issue now is with my parents’ generation, but that’s because they’re old and their mindset has become immutable, not because they watched too much TV. TV tends to reinforce existing biases rather than create new ones. IMO your kids will grow up thinking that TV is bad, and while it's mostly true that 'the medium is the message', they’re missing out on the opportunity to learn how to deal with it. It’s like a vaccine — it helps them build resilience.

neuralRiot 2y ago
>watching TV hasn't killed anyone and my generation, who grew up in front of the TV screen for lack of better alternatives, turned out just fine. I don’t think any previous generation kids spend as much time in front of the TV as they do with the screens today, sadly the damage will only be seen when it is done. The difference is mainly the content, as bad as TV could have been in the past at least there was someone responsible and liable for the content put “on air” instead on the internet your child brain is at the mercy of the algorithm.
- peoplefromibiza 2y ago
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