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> Parents that believe it is solely the school/teacher's job to educate their child. My sister works with kids on their speech at a school and she's said that

by jjice 2y ago

> Parents that believe it is solely the school/teacher's job to educate their child. My sister works with kids on their speech at a school and she's said that it's _bad_ how many children can't read or tell you what letter their first name starts with. She says that the teachers are getting flack at parent-teacher meetings because of this, but those are things that their parents teach them! I thought the "kids are illiterate now" stuff was overblown, and I bet it still is to a certain extent, but it's definitely bad. Other interesting things are that they're not teaching kids to read analog clocks anymore? Less important than reading, but still. Is this because of an increase in the prevalence of child distractions like an iPad? I find that hard to believe since television filled that same void before, didn't it? COVID definitely put a lot of kids at a few year disadvantage, too. I can't really speak to any of this because I haven't raised a kid, so I also don't want to criticize people for something I know nothing about, but it does seem like children aren't taught by their parents the same way - but I don't know if my parent's generation had the same thought at one point and this is a cyclical critique. I'd be interested to hear other's thoughts who have more exposure to this kind of thing than I do.

kevin_thibedeau 2y ago
When there were three television channels, children and adults found other things to do when there was nothing to watch. That's where you developed non-passive life skills. Now TikTok gives a continuous dopamine hit tailored to their psych profile. Just click on the pictures like a proper trained ape.
bestouff 2y ago
I'm rising 3 kids (in France, I don't know if it changes much). We have banned TV, very heavily restricted phones, and we closely follow homework. I'm persuaded it makes a difference wrt parents that don't do that, but somehow isn't a sure fire way of being a "great parent".
- jjk7 2y ago
  We're in Canada; doing the same. But most of my kids' classmates are on YouTube all the time. The brainrot content is unavoidable and it's creating issues for my kids' socialization.
  - texuf 2y ago
    My parents didn't get me a nintendo when I was a child. My socialization also suffered, but I ended up with a job making AAA games and they did not so I consider it a fair trade now that I'm older.
- Pet_Ant 2y ago
  I don't know how that helps. Watching TV with my kid has been the best way to teach him I've found. There are great videos and shows that you can watch together and then discuss afterwords. Baking videos. Chemistry. Physics. History. Seeing something on TV is great way to fire up the imagination and inspiration for real world activities.
  - wngr 2y ago
    I totally agree with you, but those shows are not what parent means.
    - travisporter 2y ago
      Yeah agreed. Really a ton of kids with tablets everytime I go out for dinner
      - Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
        Restaurants is a few places where a tablet is a godsend. Children aren't always involved in adults conversations, so they get (obviously) bored at the table. A tablet guarantees some time off to the parents. Now obviously is a problem if you go to the restaurant often, in our case it's once every few months and having them watching a movie makes going to the restaurant possible again (we waited 6 years before we could)
        mercurialuser 2y ago
        Don't want to start a flame but what is missing to the children is exactly being bored. We used to bring paper and pen to have them draw.
        Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
        That's totally fine. My children get plenty of boring time, sometimes they get creative, sometimes they do not. When they are creative, their creation is not always compatible with the environment (too noisy, too active). Not all children like drawing either. Tablet is consistent, which is helpful when going to a restaurant. Just to be clear, I use tablet only as a tv, I don't allow any games, too many exploits child's mind. If I went more often to the restaurant, it would make sense to have different activities though, you are right. We go maybe once every 2-3 months, so the tablet was acceptable. It has become way too expensive eating out.
- deleted 2y ago
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- peoplefromibiza 2y ago
  kids should be kids and do what other kids are doing, even if it's watching TV or playing video games, unless it’s something truly harmful. watching TV hasn't killed anyone and my generation, who grew up in front of the TV screen for lack of better alternatives, turned out just fine. The real issue now is with my parents’ generation, but that’s because they’re old and their mindset has become immutable, not because they watched too much TV. TV tends to reinforce existing biases rather than create new ones. IMO your kids will grow up thinking that TV is bad, and while it's mostly true that 'the medium is the message', they’re missing out on the opportunity to learn how to deal with it. It’s like a vaccine — it helps them build resilience.
  - neuralRiot 2y ago
    >watching TV hasn't killed anyone and my generation, who grew up in front of the TV screen for lack of better alternatives, turned out just fine. I don’t think any previous generation kids spend as much time in front of the TV as they do with the screens today, sadly the damage will only be seen when it is done. The difference is mainly the content, as bad as TV could have been in the past at least there was someone responsible and liable for the content put “on air” instead on the internet your child brain is at the mercy of the algorithm.
    - peoplefromibiza 2y ago
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dcchambers 2y ago
> My sister works with kids on their speech at a school and she's said that it's _bad_ how many children can't read or tell you what letter their first name starts with This just blows my mind. Literally the first thing I taught my Toddler once he started learning letters was how to spell his own name.
- 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y ago
  I still remember how to fingerspell my old name, I'm not sure why mom taught me that.
  - abridges6523 2y ago
    It gets you familiar with the shapes of the letters in a more intimate way
JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> Is this because of an increase in the prevalence of child distractions like an iPad? There is a massive class discrepancy emerging between communities where kids are always on devices, at school and at home, and those where it is controlled. The crack pipe being in the pocket is functionally different from a heavy object at home.
DylanDmitri 2y ago
Decline of the stay at home mom. Both parents tired from work means less quality attention, less consistent meals, etc..
- JellyBeanThief 2y ago
  Sounds like we need to shorten the work week
- qwerpy 2y ago
  My wife made very good money. She still quit her job to be a stay at home mom. Being a good parent to multiple children and taking care of yourself is pretty much impossible if both parents are working. Not every family can go single income but I think more could (and should) than do.
dkkergoog 2y ago
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dragonwriter 2y ago
> She says that the teachers are getting flack at parent-teacher meetings because of this, but those are things that their parents teach them! Clearly, they aren't things that the parents are teaching or there wouldn't be an issue, and there is a clash of expectations between teacher (and maybe school more broadly) and the parents. > Other interesting things are that they're not teaching kids to read analog clocks anymore? This was absolutely something that was taught in elementary schools when I was in school (I learned it from my parents, largely before starting, but not everyone did and it was absolutely taught as part of the curriculum; also, people who needed to know the time didn't usually have digital clocks on the wrist, in their pocket, and on their computer, plus voice assistants that will give a spoken report of the time in request, then, so it was a much more relevant skill. We started teaching our kids before they started school, but I can see why parents and schools would view it as less important today.)
dragonwriter 2y ago
Pedantic, but: > She says that the teachers are getting flack at parent-teacher meetings “flak” (strong criticism, derived by metaphor from anti-aircraft fire) not “flack” (a public relations agent).
- jjice 2y ago
  Huh, I always get a kick of finding out I’ve been spelling something wrong for a while haha. I appreciate the correction.
nullc 2y ago
Depends on where you are. Some places have adopted fad curriculum for reading that results in illiteracy. https://features.apmreports.org/sold-a-story/ https://features.apmreports.org/sold-a-story/
- jjice 2y ago
  Oh wow this is on the dot - this is something my sister has spoken to. The switch from phonics to (some other way of teaching reading by essentially guessing based on word shape that I can't recall the name of). It seems similar to common core math (not sure if that was just a New York thing) where no one thinks it's a good idea at first glance but it becomes standardized in schools still.

by jjice 2y ago

kevin_thibedeau 2y ago

When there were three television channels, children and adults found other things to do when there was nothing to watch. That's where you developed non-passive life skills. Now TikTok gives a continuous dopamine hit tailored to their psych profile. Just click on the pictures like a proper trained ape.

bestouff 2y ago

I'm rising 3 kids (in France, I don't know if it changes much). We have banned TV, very heavily restricted phones, and we closely follow homework. I'm persuaded it makes a difference wrt parents that don't do that, but somehow isn't a sure fire way of being a "great parent".

jjk7 2y ago
We're in Canada; doing the same. But most of my kids' classmates are on YouTube all the time. The brainrot content is unavoidable and it's creating issues for my kids' socialization.
- texuf 2y ago
  My parents didn't get me a nintendo when I was a child. My socialization also suffered, but I ended up with a job making AAA games and they did not so I consider it a fair trade now that I'm older.
Pet_Ant 2y ago
I don't know how that helps. Watching TV with my kid has been the best way to teach him I've found. There are great videos and shows that you can watch together and then discuss afterwords. Baking videos. Chemistry. Physics. History. Seeing something on TV is great way to fire up the imagination and inspiration for real world activities.
- wngr 2y ago
  I totally agree with you, but those shows are not what parent means.
  - travisporter 2y ago
    Yeah agreed. Really a ton of kids with tablets everytime I go out for dinner
    - Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
      Restaurants is a few places where a tablet is a godsend. Children aren't always involved in adults conversations, so they get (obviously) bored at the table. A tablet guarantees some time off to the parents. Now obviously is a problem if you go to the restaurant often, in our case it's once every few months and having them watching a movie makes going to the restaurant possible again (we waited 6 years before we could)
      - mercurialuser 2y ago
        Don't want to start a flame but what is missing to the children is exactly being bored. We used to bring paper and pen to have them draw.
        Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
        That's totally fine. My children get plenty of boring time, sometimes they get creative, sometimes they do not. When they are creative, their creation is not always compatible with the environment (too noisy, too active). Not all children like drawing either. Tablet is consistent, which is helpful when going to a restaurant. Just to be clear, I use tablet only as a tv, I don't allow any games, too many exploits child's mind. If I went more often to the restaurant, it would make sense to have different activities though, you are right. We go maybe once every 2-3 months, so the tablet was acceptable. It has become way too expensive eating out.
deleted 2y ago
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peoplefromibiza 2y ago
kids should be kids and do what other kids are doing, even if it's watching TV or playing video games, unless it’s something truly harmful. watching TV hasn't killed anyone and my generation, who grew up in front of the TV screen for lack of better alternatives, turned out just fine. The real issue now is with my parents’ generation, but that’s because they’re old and their mindset has become immutable, not because they watched too much TV. TV tends to reinforce existing biases rather than create new ones. IMO your kids will grow up thinking that TV is bad, and while it's mostly true that 'the medium is the message', they’re missing out on the opportunity to learn how to deal with it. It’s like a vaccine — it helps them build resilience.
- neuralRiot 2y ago
  >watching TV hasn't killed anyone and my generation, who grew up in front of the TV screen for lack of better alternatives, turned out just fine. I don’t think any previous generation kids spend as much time in front of the TV as they do with the screens today, sadly the damage will only be seen when it is done. The difference is mainly the content, as bad as TV could have been in the past at least there was someone responsible and liable for the content put “on air” instead on the internet your child brain is at the mercy of the algorithm.
  - peoplefromibiza 2y ago
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dcchambers 2y ago

> My sister works with kids on their speech at a school and she's said that it's _bad_ how many children can't read or tell you what letter their first name starts with This just blows my mind. Literally the first thing I taught my Toddler once he started learning letters was how to spell his own name.

01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y ago
I still remember how to fingerspell my old name, I'm not sure why mom taught me that.
- abridges6523 2y ago
  It gets you familiar with the shapes of the letters in a more intimate way

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> Is this because of an increase in the prevalence of child distractions like an iPad? There is a massive class discrepancy emerging between communities where kids are always on devices, at school and at home, and those where it is controlled. The crack pipe being in the pocket is functionally different from a heavy object at home.

DylanDmitri 2y ago

Decline of the stay at home mom. Both parents tired from work means less quality attention, less consistent meals, etc..

JellyBeanThief 2y ago
Sounds like we need to shorten the work week
qwerpy 2y ago
My wife made very good money. She still quit her job to be a stay at home mom. Being a good parent to multiple children and taking care of yourself is pretty much impossible if both parents are working. Not every family can go single income but I think more could (and should) than do.

dkkergoog 2y ago

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dragonwriter 2y ago

> She says that the teachers are getting flack at parent-teacher meetings because of this, but those are things that their parents teach them! Clearly, they aren't things that the parents are teaching or there wouldn't be an issue, and there is a clash of expectations between teacher (and maybe school more broadly) and the parents. > Other interesting things are that they're not teaching kids to read analog clocks anymore? This was absolutely something that was taught in elementary schools when I was in school (I learned it from my parents, largely before starting, but not everyone did and it was absolutely taught as part of the curriculum; also, people who needed to know the time didn't usually have digital clocks on the wrist, in their pocket, and on their computer, plus voice assistants that will give a spoken report of the time in request, then, so it was a much more relevant skill. We started teaching our kids before they started school, but I can see why parents and schools would view it as less important today.)

dragonwriter 2y ago

Pedantic, but: > She says that the teachers are getting flack at parent-teacher meetings “flak” (strong criticism, derived by metaphor from anti-aircraft fire) not “flack” (a public relations agent).

jjice 2y ago
Huh, I always get a kick of finding out I’ve been spelling something wrong for a while haha. I appreciate the correction.

nullc 2y ago

Depends on where you are. Some places have adopted fad curriculum for reading that results in illiteracy. https://features.apmreports.org/sold-a-story/ https://features.apmreports.org/sold-a-story/

jjice 2y ago
Oh wow this is on the dot - this is something my sister has spoken to. The switch from phonics to (some other way of teaching reading by essentially guessing based on word shape that I can't recall the name of). It seems similar to common core math (not sure if that was just a New York thing) where no one thinks it's a good idea at first glance but it becomes standardized in schools still.