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At what point is that, legally? Did they attack anybody? Obstruct anyone's access to a building they had a right to access? Or does someone just need to decl

At what point is that, legally? Did they attack anybody? Obstruct anyone's access to a building they had a right to access? Or does someone just need to declare that someone is an occupier?

throw0101d 2y ago
> At what point is that, legally? Presumably when they started setting up residence by not moving their trucks, living in them, and 'importing' fuel supplies into the city: * https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/protesters-say-theyre-here-for-long-haul-as-supporters-donate-food-fuel-other-supplies https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/protesters-say-the... Or it could have been when they set up saunas and barber shops: * https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/15/ottawa-truck-convoy-protesters-unfazed-by-emergencies-act https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/15/ottawa-truck-c... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (IANAL)
- loceng 2y ago
  Preventing protestors from getting supplies like fuel to keep warm (etc) is an international crime. They worked with local authorities to position trucks to allow adequate lanes and access to all of downtown. Ottawa being the capital of Canada, it wasn't the first protest they've had - and so this was all standard practice/protocol for local authorities.
tensor 2y ago
Yes, they harassed people, they cornered people, yes they restricted access to stores, buildings, and yes they used their truck horns to attack local residents by preventing them being able to sleep for days on end. Preventing people from sleeping via loud noise is literally considered a torture tactic.
- loceng 2y ago
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  - dang 2y ago
    You've repeatedly been posting in the flamewar style to this thread. That's not ok, as you know (or ought to, having been here for a good 14 years), so please stop. Edit: we've had to warn you about this countless times, and you've continued to break the site guidelines badly, including in other threads than this. I'm not going to ban you right now, just as I haven't banned a different flamewar commenter (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42615795 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42615795), but the same things apply to you as I said to them: this is not ok, and if you don't want to be banned here we need you to fix this once and for all. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
bryanlarsen 2y ago
It's quite clear what the limits are for protests in Ottawa. There are dozens to hundreds of protesters in Ottawa continuously. There are regularly protests of thousands of people. If you want to block the road, you get a parade permit which is easy to get. You can shout as long as you want, but if you use an amplifier the police will eventually take it away from you. You can carry obnoxious signs. Blocked roads because of protests are an annoying fact of life in Ottawa. But you shrug and move on, it's a cost of living/working in downtown Ottawa. I've never seen a protest block the road for more than 4 hours.
sangnoir 2y ago
It's fascinating how the same arguments can apply to the homeless, but how one sees the homeless vs. the truck protestors is likely to be polar opposites with one group free to stay as they aren't infringing on any rights, and the other group being a nuisance and having to go expeditiously. Which group is tolerated largely depends on your political alignment.
micromacrofoot 2y ago
yes, they prevented people from sleeping — I never understand why people don't consider this attack, after a couple of days it's borderline torture
- sangnoir 2y ago
  The Third Geneva Convention categorizes sleep deprivation as actual torture.
- transcriptase 2y ago
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  - FridgeSeal 2y ago
    In what world is it ok to subject people to sleep deprivation techniques because “ear plugs exist”? That’s basically saying “I am allowed to enact violence on you, because painkillers exist”. In addition to how absurd that is, I don’t think this would pass any kind of “pub test”.
    - transcriptase 2y ago
      A truck horn on the road outside being compared to legitimate torture is absurd.
      - micromacrofoot 2y ago
        you have clearly never experienced sleep deprivation, any human will go from normal to psychotic in about 3 days

At what point is that, legally? Did they attack anybody? Obstruct anyone's access to a building they had a right to access? Or does someone just need to declare that someone is an occupier?

throw0101d 2y ago

> At what point is that, legally? Presumably when they started setting up residence by not moving their trucks, living in them, and 'importing' fuel supplies into the city: * https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/protesters-say-theyre-here-for-long-haul-as-supporters-donate-food-fuel-other-supplies https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/protesters-say-the... Or it could have been when they set up saunas and barber shops: * https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/15/ottawa-truck-convoy-protesters-unfazed-by-emergencies-act https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/15/ottawa-truck-c... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (IANAL)

loceng 2y ago
Preventing protestors from getting supplies like fuel to keep warm (etc) is an international crime. They worked with local authorities to position trucks to allow adequate lanes and access to all of downtown. Ottawa being the capital of Canada, it wasn't the first protest they've had - and so this was all standard practice/protocol for local authorities.

tensor 2y ago

Yes, they harassed people, they cornered people, yes they restricted access to stores, buildings, and yes they used their truck horns to attack local residents by preventing them being able to sleep for days on end. Preventing people from sleeping via loud noise is literally considered a torture tactic.

loceng 2y ago
[flagged]
- dang 2y ago
  You've repeatedly been posting in the flamewar style to this thread. That's not ok, as you know (or ought to, having been here for a good 14 years), so please stop. Edit: we've had to warn you about this countless times, and you've continued to break the site guidelines badly, including in other threads than this. I'm not going to ban you right now, just as I haven't banned a different flamewar commenter (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42615795 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42615795), but the same things apply to you as I said to them: this is not ok, and if you don't want to be banned here we need you to fix this once and for all. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

bryanlarsen 2y ago

It's quite clear what the limits are for protests in Ottawa. There are dozens to hundreds of protesters in Ottawa continuously. There are regularly protests of thousands of people. If you want to block the road, you get a parade permit which is easy to get. You can shout as long as you want, but if you use an amplifier the police will eventually take it away from you. You can carry obnoxious signs. Blocked roads because of protests are an annoying fact of life in Ottawa. But you shrug and move on, it's a cost of living/working in downtown Ottawa. I've never seen a protest block the road for more than 4 hours.

sangnoir 2y ago

It's fascinating how the same arguments can apply to the homeless, but how one sees the homeless vs. the truck protestors is likely to be polar opposites with one group free to stay as they aren't infringing on any rights, and the other group being a nuisance and having to go expeditiously. Which group is tolerated largely depends on your political alignment.

micromacrofoot 2y ago

yes, they prevented people from sleeping — I never understand why people don't consider this attack, after a couple of days it's borderline torture

sangnoir 2y ago
The Third Geneva Convention categorizes sleep deprivation as actual torture.
transcriptase 2y ago
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- FridgeSeal 2y ago
  In what world is it ok to subject people to sleep deprivation techniques because “ear plugs exist”? That’s basically saying “I am allowed to enact violence on you, because painkillers exist”. In addition to how absurd that is, I don’t think this would pass any kind of “pub test”.
  - transcriptase 2y ago
    A truck horn on the road outside being compared to legitimate torture is absurd.
    - micromacrofoot 2y ago
      you have clearly never experienced sleep deprivation, any human will go from normal to psychotic in about 3 days