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This is not a meaningful argument. China does not have any freedom of speech encoded in its foundational documents. The US does. This is like saying that we're

This is not a meaningful argument. China does not have any freedom of speech encoded in its foundational documents. The US does. This is like saying that we're going to get rid of trial by jury until China adds it in.

Duwensatzaj 2y ago
Amusingly enough from the Constitution of the People's Republic of China: Article 35: Citizens of the People’s Republic of China shall enjoy freedom of speech, the press, assembly, association, procession and demonstration.
- andrewla 2y ago
  That's remarkable! So much of the PRC Constitution [1] seems very consistent with what liberal democracies expect in terms of rights. I guess there's a whole area of discussion as to whether the way that rights are expressed are a function of law vs. a function of culture. That said, many of the articles contain exceptions for "order" and "public security". Two examples I found striking because they sound good until you get to the end where it basically says "you have this right, unless, you know, we don't want you to have it": > Article 40: The freedom and privacy of correspondence of citizens of the People's Republic of China are protected by law. No organization or individual may, on any ground, infringe upon the freedom and privacy of citizens' correspondence except in cases where, to meet the needs of state security or of investigation into criminal offenses, public security or procuratorial organs are permitted to censor correspondence in accordance with procedures prescribed by law. > Article 51: The exercise by citizens of the People's Republic of China of their freedoms and rights may not infringe upon the interests of the state, of society and of the collective, or upon the lawful freedoms and rights of other citizens. [1] https://www.constituteproject.org/constitution/China_2018 https://www.constituteproject.org/constitution/China_2018
Whatarethese 2y ago
Freedom of Speech has no protections when it comes to private business.
ausbah 2y ago
maybe the US shouldn’t be so cozy with countries that don’t share its foundational beliefs?

Duwensatzaj 2y ago

Amusingly enough from the Constitution of the People's Republic of China: Article 35: Citizens of the People’s Republic of China shall enjoy freedom of speech, the press, assembly, association, procession and demonstration.

andrewla 2y ago
That's remarkable! So much of the PRC Constitution [1] seems very consistent with what liberal democracies expect in terms of rights. I guess there's a whole area of discussion as to whether the way that rights are expressed are a function of law vs. a function of culture. That said, many of the articles contain exceptions for "order" and "public security". Two examples I found striking because they sound good until you get to the end where it basically says "you have this right, unless, you know, we don't want you to have it": > Article 40: The freedom and privacy of correspondence of citizens of the People's Republic of China are protected by law. No organization or individual may, on any ground, infringe upon the freedom and privacy of citizens' correspondence except in cases where, to meet the needs of state security or of investigation into criminal offenses, public security or procuratorial organs are permitted to censor correspondence in accordance with procedures prescribed by law. > Article 51: The exercise by citizens of the People's Republic of China of their freedoms and rights may not infringe upon the interests of the state, of society and of the collective, or upon the lawful freedoms and rights of other citizens. [1] https://www.constituteproject.org/constitution/China_2018 https://www.constituteproject.org/constitution/China_2018

Whatarethese 2y ago

Freedom of Speech has no protections when it comes to private business.

ausbah 2y ago

maybe the US shouldn’t be so cozy with countries that don’t share its foundational beliefs?