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This seems like a huge abuse of the copyright system to me. It sounds to me like ChainPatrol doesn't actually have any IP to protect, but they are instead deput

This seems like a huge abuse of the copyright system to me. It sounds to me like ChainPatrol doesn't actually have any IP to protect, but they are instead deputizing YouTube's copyright system to fight what they deem to be crypto scams. Absolutely wild if true.

dandanua 2y ago
Anything bitcoin related is wild today. Big and free money make people lose their damn minds.
- staplers 2y ago
  This is not just a bitcoin issue. See: Sports gambling, prediction markets, pay-later apps. Gamified finance in general encourages risky behavior.
  - pksebben 2y ago
    I'll offer a slight adjustment; "Finance in general encourages risky behavior". It is an industry explicitly dealing in moving and dealing in risk. We periodically become very aware of this. See financial news in 1893, 1901, 1907, 1910, 1914, 1920, 1937, 1949, 1953, 1961, 1970, 1973, 1983, 1987, 1992, 1998, 2000, 2008, 2011, and so on and so on. It's almost as if a zero-sum, value neutral industry controlling the bulk of world finance is inherently a very very bad idea.
    - nox101 2y ago
      What part is zero-sum?
      - hartator 2y ago
        Speculative assets are by definition are zero-sum. If they go to infinite or to zero, they still produce zero.
        npoc 2y ago
        You're confusing things that you value in life with things with economic value. Also you don't seem to see that something that stores your economic value better than anything else (the "infinite" outcome) would be of great value to your life.
        hartator 2y ago
        > You're confusing things that you value in life with things with economic value. If you think about it, the "economic" value is just the market trying to discover what everyone value in life. > Also you don't seem to see that something that stores your economic value better than anything else (the "infinite" outcome) would be of great value to your life. Finding a cure for cancer will be infinite value and most people will give anything for it - including all Bitcoins in the world. This - finding the cure of cancer - is the way better store of value than anything. The reverse is not true.
        npoc 2y ago
        That's only demand. Economic value = supply / demand. Do you value air? It's worthless. I wouldn't buy a litre of air for even a penny. But put me at the bottom of the sea, out of oxygen (i.e. no supply), and I'd give you everything I have for it.
        grues-dinner 2y ago
        You could also see it as economic value is commonly extremely divorced from any useful human measure of value. Enough money to feed the world is "made" and "lost" though market oscillations that aren't really based in any practical reality. Like Tesla being worth more than the rest of the next 35 car companies, say. Or just one of the several apps that calls a cab being worth the GDP of Kenya. Or the value of Bitcoin. The fiction is that the market is an infinitely rational representation of value, denominated in the same units humans buy food and shelter with, and generally correlated with their ability to do so. But it seems "the economy" has less and less to do with life on the ground.
      - immibis 2y ago
        The part of the world economy that moves value from one person to another, without creating any value, is zero-sum.
        throw5959 2y ago
        There's no such thing.
        namaria 2y ago
        That's not what zero-sum means
TZubiri 2y ago
You can definitely use your IP to take down scams. If someone is using your name or your company's name to scam people, it is in your interest to save your name and provide people assurance that they can do business with your name.
- gruez 2y ago
  >You can definitely use your IP to take down scams. Key point being, that you have IP to use in the first place. But the parents' contention is that ChainPatrol and/or their clients don't have such IP, and are merely weaponizing the copyright/trademark takedown process to take down scams, which isn't the same thing.
  - TZubiri 2y ago
    My understanding is that arbitrum has an IP, but this video was not using their IP, that it was a false positive in terms of identifying the IP, in addition to a false positive of malicious intent. What you are saying is that these claims never relate to IP and it was only a false positive of malicious intent?
    - gruez 2y ago
      >What you are saying is that these claims never relate to IP and it was only a false positive of malicious intent? I'm not sure how you got that impression. If you read my previous comment it's pretty clear I only objected on the basis they don't have relevant IP, not on the principle of being able to use IP to issue take down scams.
- HWR_14 2y ago
  That's a use of a trademark claim, not a copyright claim. And a good example of why trademark protection is valuable.
  - tzs 2y ago
    Scammers often use more than just your name. They often take content from your site too to try to make theirs look like yours.
p0w3n3d 2y ago
Big tech companies are not complaint with copyright, only with its interpretation made up by themselves.
- deleted 2y ago
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wruza 2y ago
There are lots of “companies” like this. Don’t think about buying this apologetic do-gooder tone, it’s an id claim troll trying to cover his ass after touching something they can get face punched for by the whole internet. Which the internet should do anyway. Imagine what it did and continues to do to channels no one cares about that much. These parasites don’t deserve to exist, regardless of the official stance.
draw_down 2y ago
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dandanua 2y ago

Anything bitcoin related is wild today. Big and free money make people lose their damn minds.

staplers 2y ago
This is not just a bitcoin issue. See: Sports gambling, prediction markets, pay-later apps. Gamified finance in general encourages risky behavior.
- pksebben 2y ago
  I'll offer a slight adjustment; "Finance in general encourages risky behavior". It is an industry explicitly dealing in moving and dealing in risk. We periodically become very aware of this. See financial news in 1893, 1901, 1907, 1910, 1914, 1920, 1937, 1949, 1953, 1961, 1970, 1973, 1983, 1987, 1992, 1998, 2000, 2008, 2011, and so on and so on. It's almost as if a zero-sum, value neutral industry controlling the bulk of world finance is inherently a very very bad idea.
  - nox101 2y ago
    What part is zero-sum?
    - hartator 2y ago
      Speculative assets are by definition are zero-sum. If they go to infinite or to zero, they still produce zero.
      - npoc 2y ago
        You're confusing things that you value in life with things with economic value. Also you don't seem to see that something that stores your economic value better than anything else (the "infinite" outcome) would be of great value to your life.
        hartator 2y ago
        > You're confusing things that you value in life with things with economic value. If you think about it, the "economic" value is just the market trying to discover what everyone value in life. > Also you don't seem to see that something that stores your economic value better than anything else (the "infinite" outcome) would be of great value to your life. Finding a cure for cancer will be infinite value and most people will give anything for it - including all Bitcoins in the world. This - finding the cure of cancer - is the way better store of value than anything. The reverse is not true.
        npoc 2y ago
        That's only demand. Economic value = supply / demand. Do you value air? It's worthless. I wouldn't buy a litre of air for even a penny. But put me at the bottom of the sea, out of oxygen (i.e. no supply), and I'd give you everything I have for it.
        grues-dinner 2y ago
        You could also see it as economic value is commonly extremely divorced from any useful human measure of value. Enough money to feed the world is "made" and "lost" though market oscillations that aren't really based in any practical reality. Like Tesla being worth more than the rest of the next 35 car companies, say. Or just one of the several apps that calls a cab being worth the GDP of Kenya. Or the value of Bitcoin. The fiction is that the market is an infinitely rational representation of value, denominated in the same units humans buy food and shelter with, and generally correlated with their ability to do so. But it seems "the economy" has less and less to do with life on the ground.
    - immibis 2y ago
      The part of the world economy that moves value from one person to another, without creating any value, is zero-sum.
      - throw5959 2y ago
        There's no such thing.
      - namaria 2y ago
        That's not what zero-sum means

TZubiri 2y ago

You can definitely use your IP to take down scams. If someone is using your name or your company's name to scam people, it is in your interest to save your name and provide people assurance that they can do business with your name.

gruez 2y ago
>You can definitely use your IP to take down scams. Key point being, that you have IP to use in the first place. But the parents' contention is that ChainPatrol and/or their clients don't have such IP, and are merely weaponizing the copyright/trademark takedown process to take down scams, which isn't the same thing.
- TZubiri 2y ago
  My understanding is that arbitrum has an IP, but this video was not using their IP, that it was a false positive in terms of identifying the IP, in addition to a false positive of malicious intent. What you are saying is that these claims never relate to IP and it was only a false positive of malicious intent?
  - gruez 2y ago
    >What you are saying is that these claims never relate to IP and it was only a false positive of malicious intent? I'm not sure how you got that impression. If you read my previous comment it's pretty clear I only objected on the basis they don't have relevant IP, not on the principle of being able to use IP to issue take down scams.
HWR_14 2y ago
That's a use of a trademark claim, not a copyright claim. And a good example of why trademark protection is valuable.
- tzs 2y ago
  Scammers often use more than just your name. They often take content from your site too to try to make theirs look like yours.

p0w3n3d 2y ago

Big tech companies are not complaint with copyright, only with its interpretation made up by themselves.

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wruza 2y ago

There are lots of “companies” like this. Don’t think about buying this apologetic do-gooder tone, it’s an id claim troll trying to cover his ass after touching something they can get face punched for by the whole internet. Which the internet should do anyway. Imagine what it did and continues to do to channels no one cares about that much. These parasites don’t deserve to exist, regardless of the official stance.

draw_down 2y ago

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