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One could endlessly go on about the economy/COL, immigration, crumbling healthcare, housing crisis, far-left ideology going mainstream, etc. But I could frame

by jyscao 2y ago

One could endlessly go on about the economy/COL, immigration, crumbling healthcare, housing crisis, far-left ideology going mainstream, etc. But I could frame it much simpler than that - Canada, at least in cities of modest sizes and up, is rapidly transitioning from a high-trust to a low-trust society. An anecdote: my sister is more than 10 years younger than me, she's currently attending the same university as I did over a decade ago; in the span of less than half a year, she's got 2 bikes stolen - her original bike with front wheel removed to bypass the lock in late summer 2024, then the entire lock cut to steal her replacement bike in December; this would be inconceivable to me during my time living in the same town.

pixxel 2y ago
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squigz 2y ago
> economy, healthcare costs, housing crisis, and... far left ideology One of these things is not like the others. Could you elaborate on how 'far left ideology' relates to the others in terms of the supposed fall of our country?
- soupbowl 2y ago
  Maybe he means the extreme levels of immigration that have tossed fuel on the housing and healthcare crisis?
- tensor 2y ago
  For context, the liberal party is right of centre these days. We don't even have a "far-left" party. The NDP is solidly left, probably slightly left of what the liberals were years ago when this poster thinks things were wonderful. We do have fringe parties that are far-left, that basically get a handful of votes a year, and we have one far-right party, the People Party of Canada, that gets enough votes to occasionally get some news coverage.
- lioeters 2y ago
  Whenever I see people using the term "far left", I realize its meaning has been subverted and neutered to mean something else entirely. Same with "woke". It's very Orwellian to see how successfully these words have been distorted to obscure their nature and power.
  - AlexandrB 2y ago
    I think people are talking past each other. Some of these parties are "far left" on social issues while simultaneously being "moderate right" on economic issues. So you can label these parties either way, depending on what's convenient to your argument.
johnny_canuck 2y ago
Such an odd anecdote given that it wasn't that long ago Igor Kenk was the king of bike theft in Toronto.
digging 2y ago
> One could endlessly go on... Yet, apparently one will instead sidestep the discussion entirely. Frankly the more you've tried to answer the question the less you actually answer it... I don't see how "rapidly transitioning from a high-trust to a low-trust society" or "she's got 2 bikes stolen ... this would be inconceivable to me during my time living in the same town" reflect failures in Canadian government at all, really. Has societal trust actually increased anywhere in the developed world? Sure, our governments have had their share of failures, but it would actually take an extraordinary vision and effort to increase societal trust as technology and population advance. Is it possible your sister had a shockingly unlucky semester? Or that your world model was simply naive and wrong 10 years ago? Hard to say since the anecdote isn't really evidence of anything.
- randomopining 2y ago
  Look at Japan as a homogenous and extremely (if not the most) high trust society.
  - krapp 2y ago
    >Look at Japan as a homogenous and extremely (if not the most) high trust society. Why does Japan need separate trains for women, and why can the shutter sound on Japanese phones not be turned off?
    - jim-jim-jim 2y ago
      All countries need this; Japan's just the only one that did something about it. I'm sure NYC ladies would love segregated cars right about now.
  - digging 2y ago
    Um... why exactly am I looking for a highly homogenous society?
    - randomopining 2y ago
steve_adams_86 2y ago
This anecdote could be explained by something as simple as her forgetting to lock her bike consistently, locking it incorrectly, using poor locks, etc.
VerminOctopus1 2y ago
I think any Canadian that identifies as “far left” would find your post hysterical. They don’t even have a party to vote for anymore - best they can do is a begrudging vote for the NDP. This country has been on a rightward shift for decades. e.g. look at the hard push towards privatization of government services in Ontario.

by jyscao 2y ago

pixxel 2y ago

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squigz 2y ago

> economy, healthcare costs, housing crisis, and... far left ideology One of these things is not like the others. Could you elaborate on how 'far left ideology' relates to the others in terms of the supposed fall of our country?

soupbowl 2y ago
Maybe he means the extreme levels of immigration that have tossed fuel on the housing and healthcare crisis?
tensor 2y ago
For context, the liberal party is right of centre these days. We don't even have a "far-left" party. The NDP is solidly left, probably slightly left of what the liberals were years ago when this poster thinks things were wonderful. We do have fringe parties that are far-left, that basically get a handful of votes a year, and we have one far-right party, the People Party of Canada, that gets enough votes to occasionally get some news coverage.
lioeters 2y ago
Whenever I see people using the term "far left", I realize its meaning has been subverted and neutered to mean something else entirely. Same with "woke". It's very Orwellian to see how successfully these words have been distorted to obscure their nature and power.
- AlexandrB 2y ago
  I think people are talking past each other. Some of these parties are "far left" on social issues while simultaneously being "moderate right" on economic issues. So you can label these parties either way, depending on what's convenient to your argument.

johnny_canuck 2y ago

Such an odd anecdote given that it wasn't that long ago Igor Kenk was the king of bike theft in Toronto.

digging 2y ago

> One could endlessly go on... Yet, apparently one will instead sidestep the discussion entirely. Frankly the more you've tried to answer the question the less you actually answer it... I don't see how "rapidly transitioning from a high-trust to a low-trust society" or "she's got 2 bikes stolen ... this would be inconceivable to me during my time living in the same town" reflect failures in Canadian government at all, really. Has societal trust actually increased anywhere in the developed world? Sure, our governments have had their share of failures, but it would actually take an extraordinary vision and effort to increase societal trust as technology and population advance. Is it possible your sister had a shockingly unlucky semester? Or that your world model was simply naive and wrong 10 years ago? Hard to say since the anecdote isn't really evidence of anything.

randomopining 2y ago
Look at Japan as a homogenous and extremely (if not the most) high trust society.
- krapp 2y ago
  >Look at Japan as a homogenous and extremely (if not the most) high trust society. Why does Japan need separate trains for women, and why can the shutter sound on Japanese phones not be turned off?
  - jim-jim-jim 2y ago
    All countries need this; Japan's just the only one that did something about it. I'm sure NYC ladies would love segregated cars right about now.
- digging 2y ago
  Um... why exactly am I looking for a highly homogenous society?
  - randomopining 2y ago

steve_adams_86 2y ago

This anecdote could be explained by something as simple as her forgetting to lock her bike consistently, locking it incorrectly, using poor locks, etc.

VerminOctopus1 2y ago

I think any Canadian that identifies as “far left” would find your post hysterical. They don’t even have a party to vote for anymore - best they can do is a begrudging vote for the NDP. This country has been on a rightward shift for decades. e.g. look at the hard push towards privatization of government services in Ontario.