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I don’t follow Canadian politics, and I don’t know that much about Trudeau, but having the capital full of honking, mad truckers, holding the government hostage

by kubb 2y ago

I don’t follow Canadian politics, and I don’t know that much about Trudeau, but having the capital full of honking, mad truckers, holding the government hostage for their demands to be met in a time of crisis sounds like an absolute nightmare.

catgary 2y ago
There had already been one standoff between local residents and truckers, I remember there being chatter that the next weekend groups were going to coordinate in their neighborhoods and drive out the convoy on their own (using baseball bats, cast iron skillets, or golf clubs if need be). The situation had the potential to turn into an absolute blood bath.
- kubb 2y ago
  In the US some psychopath straight up shot and killed a climate activist who was in the way of his car. It’s a miracle something similar didn’t happen there.
  - catgary 2y ago
    If someone tried this protest in the US someone would have been shot night one.
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  - taeric 2y ago
    In the US? I recall an event in Panama. Quickly googling shows the person was a dual US citizen? Maybe that is what you are thinking of?
    - relaxing 2y ago
      OP is probably conflating the environmentalist protestor shot in the US by cops and the numerous racial justice protestors killed by motorists, along with the incident you mentioned. Easy mistake to make.
      - taeric 2y ago
        I don't remember a protestor shot by cops in the US? Searching, I see something happened in Atlanta? And I remember a few motorist incidents, but numerous? Certainly more than I would prefer.
      - kubb 2y ago
        You’re right.
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- lupusreal 2y ago
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sneak 2y ago
Do we think it might be a little intellectually dishonest to equate a peaceful political protest with an armed hostage-taker? I think this is important regardless of whether you believe in their specific target of protest or not. The right to peacefully protest is very very important, and your feelings on a specific protest should be wholly divorced from the importance of preserving the right to protest in general. Nobody was held hostage. People unhappy with their rulers took peacefully to the streets and made noise and peacefully and temporarily interfered with some business activity. This is the furthest thing from “holding the government hostage”. It’s the adversarial relationship between the populace and the state working exactly as intended and designed.
- kubb 2y ago
  Armed hostage-taker? It’s unfortunate you feel the need to misrepresent my position rather than address the real issue. This kind of distortion suggests an agenda. Regardless how sympathetic you might feel towards the protesters and the politicians standing behind them, we should focus on honest dialogue. It is a fact that the protest was done in a way which disrupted the lives of the residents and jeopardized their safety. The right to peacefully protest comes with a responsibility, and the context in which it’s done matters greatly. For example, a counter protest by medical workers was cancelled when a state of emergency was announced. Look no further for a model of responsibility in public discourse. We should make sure the voices of responsible citizens are amplified, not drowned out by furious hostility.
  - sneak 2y ago
    “holding [whatever] hostage” means an armed attacker and threat to life. It’s no misrepresentation, you were using exaggerated and hyperbolic terms to describe a peaceful protest. Nobody’s safety was jeopardized. Some disruption is the point of a protest; you can’t operate the building during a sit-in, for example. “protest in a way that doesn’t affect anything and allows society to ignore you” is not a legitimate or constructive type of feedback.

by kubb 2y ago

catgary 2y ago

There had already been one standoff between local residents and truckers, I remember there being chatter that the next weekend groups were going to coordinate in their neighborhoods and drive out the convoy on their own (using baseball bats, cast iron skillets, or golf clubs if need be). The situation had the potential to turn into an absolute blood bath.

kubb 2y ago
In the US some psychopath straight up shot and killed a climate activist who was in the way of his car. It’s a miracle something similar didn’t happen there.
- catgary 2y ago
  If someone tried this protest in the US someone would have been shot night one.
- deleted 2y ago
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- taeric 2y ago
  In the US? I recall an event in Panama. Quickly googling shows the person was a dual US citizen? Maybe that is what you are thinking of?
  - relaxing 2y ago
    OP is probably conflating the environmentalist protestor shot in the US by cops and the numerous racial justice protestors killed by motorists, along with the incident you mentioned. Easy mistake to make.
    - taeric 2y ago
      I don't remember a protestor shot by cops in the US? Searching, I see something happened in Atlanta? And I remember a few motorist incidents, but numerous? Certainly more than I would prefer.
    - kubb 2y ago
      You’re right.
      - deleted 2y ago
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lupusreal 2y ago
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sneak 2y ago

Do we think it might be a little intellectually dishonest to equate a peaceful political protest with an armed hostage-taker? I think this is important regardless of whether you believe in their specific target of protest or not. The right to peacefully protest is very very important, and your feelings on a specific protest should be wholly divorced from the importance of preserving the right to protest in general. Nobody was held hostage. People unhappy with their rulers took peacefully to the streets and made noise and peacefully and temporarily interfered with some business activity. This is the furthest thing from “holding the government hostage”. It’s the adversarial relationship between the populace and the state working exactly as intended and designed.

kubb 2y ago
Armed hostage-taker? It’s unfortunate you feel the need to misrepresent my position rather than address the real issue. This kind of distortion suggests an agenda. Regardless how sympathetic you might feel towards the protesters and the politicians standing behind them, we should focus on honest dialogue. It is a fact that the protest was done in a way which disrupted the lives of the residents and jeopardized their safety. The right to peacefully protest comes with a responsibility, and the context in which it’s done matters greatly. For example, a counter protest by medical workers was cancelled when a state of emergency was announced. Look no further for a model of responsibility in public discourse. We should make sure the voices of responsible citizens are amplified, not drowned out by furious hostility.
- sneak 2y ago
  “holding [whatever] hostage” means an armed attacker and threat to life. It’s no misrepresentation, you were using exaggerated and hyperbolic terms to describe a peaceful protest. Nobody’s safety was jeopardized. Some disruption is the point of a protest; you can’t operate the building during a sit-in, for example. “protest in a way that doesn’t affect anything and allows society to ignore you” is not a legitimate or constructive type of feedback.