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Best of luck to our Canadian friends.

by casenmgreen 2y ago

grecy 2y ago
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- joshdavham 2y ago
  What makes you think that? They don’t seem very similar to me aside from sharing the broad label of ‘conservative’.
  - I-M-S 2y ago
    And love of simplistic slogans. Whether there's more substance to Pierre Poilievre than to Donald Trump remains to be seen.
    - daseiner1 2y ago
      Simplistic slogans win popular elections. So, prudent strategy at least.
  - WorkerBee28474 2y ago
    Because Liberals pretend that anyone they don't like is a mini-Trump to try to scare people into voting Liberal.
  - ozmodiar 2y ago
    To try to expand on this in a constructive way, I think the similarities are that they both pretend to be outsiders while being very connected and powerful and have a worrying amount of disrespectful and vindictive rhetoric and a refusal to engage with the media/intentionally egging on of rage towards the media. That's kind of where it ends though, since I don't think Poilievre has Trump's trademark complete lack of self awareness (I'm not trying to be insulting here, I think it gets him pretty far honestly and has lead to some of his funnier tweets, though I'm not a fan.). Poilievre seems more like a traditional politician trying to ride the populist right wing train, and he's far less charismatic than Trump. Conservatives I know aren't crazy about him, if he weren't up against the even more unpopular Trudeau during the post covid global incumbent purge going on I don't think the election would be nearly as favorable. I am worried, but mostly due to the general state of the world. Also Canada gets most of its media from the states, so right wing Canadians talk like right wing Americans with most of the same talking points. I think they'll always look similar and I can't necessarily blame Poilievre for that even if it does annoy me and he definitely intentionally rides it. It's certainly not going to end with him, and the Libs also like to pretend to be Democrats when it suits them.
- carbine 2y ago
  I appreciate that this is a popular sentiment in certain media/online circles (i.e. Bluesky) but I don't believe it is at all an accurate statement from a policy standpoint, nor a rhetorical one.
relaxing 2y ago
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- somedude895 2y ago
  It's a low effort comment that doesn't add anything of value.
  - casenmgreen 2y ago
    I mean, yes, it doesn't say much. But it is perhaps nice to read a simple sentiment, wishing well. I wasn't posting for upvotes, just expressing a feeling.
    - relaxing 2y ago
      I applaud you for taking time to acknowledge the basic humanity of the situation. Calling that low value is unfortunately on-brand for this crowd.
  - dang 2y ago
    Good will is of value. PG covered this point way back at the start of HN: Empty comments can be ok if they're positive. There's nothing wrong with submitting a comment saying just "Thanks." What we especially discourage are comments that are empty and negative—comments that are mere name-calling. https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html
    - somedude895 2y ago
      Thanks for clarifying that for me
- dang 2y ago
  It has since been heavily upvoted. The thing to do in such cases (i.e. when you notice an unfairly downvoted comment) is give it a corrective upvote and move on. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=corrective%20upvote https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...

Best of luck to our Canadian friends.

grecy 2y ago

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joshdavham 2y ago
What makes you think that? They don’t seem very similar to me aside from sharing the broad label of ‘conservative’.
- I-M-S 2y ago
  And love of simplistic slogans. Whether there's more substance to Pierre Poilievre than to Donald Trump remains to be seen.
  - daseiner1 2y ago
    Simplistic slogans win popular elections. So, prudent strategy at least.
- WorkerBee28474 2y ago
  Because Liberals pretend that anyone they don't like is a mini-Trump to try to scare people into voting Liberal.
- ozmodiar 2y ago
  To try to expand on this in a constructive way, I think the similarities are that they both pretend to be outsiders while being very connected and powerful and have a worrying amount of disrespectful and vindictive rhetoric and a refusal to engage with the media/intentionally egging on of rage towards the media. That's kind of where it ends though, since I don't think Poilievre has Trump's trademark complete lack of self awareness (I'm not trying to be insulting here, I think it gets him pretty far honestly and has lead to some of his funnier tweets, though I'm not a fan.). Poilievre seems more like a traditional politician trying to ride the populist right wing train, and he's far less charismatic than Trump. Conservatives I know aren't crazy about him, if he weren't up against the even more unpopular Trudeau during the post covid global incumbent purge going on I don't think the election would be nearly as favorable. I am worried, but mostly due to the general state of the world. Also Canada gets most of its media from the states, so right wing Canadians talk like right wing Americans with most of the same talking points. I think they'll always look similar and I can't necessarily blame Poilievre for that even if it does annoy me and he definitely intentionally rides it. It's certainly not going to end with him, and the Libs also like to pretend to be Democrats when it suits them.
carbine 2y ago
I appreciate that this is a popular sentiment in certain media/online circles (i.e. Bluesky) but I don't believe it is at all an accurate statement from a policy standpoint, nor a rhetorical one.

relaxing 2y ago

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somedude895 2y ago
It's a low effort comment that doesn't add anything of value.
- casenmgreen 2y ago
  I mean, yes, it doesn't say much. But it is perhaps nice to read a simple sentiment, wishing well. I wasn't posting for upvotes, just expressing a feeling.
  - relaxing 2y ago
    I applaud you for taking time to acknowledge the basic humanity of the situation. Calling that low value is unfortunately on-brand for this crowd.
- dang 2y ago
  Good will is of value. PG covered this point way back at the start of HN: Empty comments can be ok if they're positive. There's nothing wrong with submitting a comment saying just "Thanks." What we especially discourage are comments that are empty and negative—comments that are mere name-calling. https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html
  - somedude895 2y ago
    Thanks for clarifying that for me
dang 2y ago
It has since been heavily upvoted. The thing to do in such cases (i.e. when you notice an unfairly downvoted comment) is give it a corrective upvote and move on. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=corrective%20upvote https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...