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I reject this line of reasoning because by it the best meal is other humans. If you accept that eating other animals is OK and eating fellow humans is bad then

I reject this line of reasoning because by it the best meal is other humans. If you accept that eating other animals is OK and eating fellow humans is bad then you are halfway to the next step, where eating fellow animals is bad and eating non-animals is OK. Just be smart about your diet. Call yourself sapiens not for nothin'!

robertlagrant 2y ago
To continue this, the next step is eating fellow life is bad and eating non-life is OK. Just use an Instagram filter to recolour your face away from grey.
- throwaway290 2y ago
  Define life;)
  - robertlagrant 2y ago
    Tricky! I'll go for "Anything your gut is meant to digest that isn't classed as a vitamin."
    - throwaway290 2y ago
      Cool! So unless you think your gut is meant to digest conscious beings that feel pain your previous comment is just empty trolling right?
      - robertlagrant 2y ago
        It's meant to digest anything it can digest. Morally I would disagree with someone who says "eat anything but conscious beings" because that would include eating people who are asleep or passed out, or dead.
        throwaway290 2y ago
        > It's meant to digest anything it can digest. So you think your gut is meant to digest human flesh? Fun worldview > eat anything but conscious beings "conscious" here means "possessing consciousness" not "conscious right now". > include eating people who are asleep or passed out, or dead The point is we eat what we think is acceptable to eat not just any random thing we can digest. Because we have some norms about what is OK to eat. Most norms say eating humans (dead or alive) is bad. Other norms say eating animals is also bad. QED.
raincole 2y ago
There is no logic in GP. It's just typical bioscience.
- throwaway290 2y ago
  I think you misspelled "broscience"!
  - raincole 2y ago
    I did. Ironically it made the whole comment the opposite of what I meant to say.
nlitened 2y ago
> Just be smart about your diet The original question was about a "meal that provides all the essential nutrients the average person needs to stay healthy over the long term" The simplest, easiest, and the most correct answer is "just eat animals". Of course, one can be "smart" about their diet, spend a lot of time on carefully balancing vegetables, fruit, grains and tofu, while also making sure to consume proper blend of vitamin and mineral pills and doing regular blood tests. BUT that's far from a "single meal", far from "easy" and "simple", and consumes a lot of time and mental capacity which many humans might not have a luxury to allocate in order to be fellows with farm animals, I think.
- throwaway290 2y ago
  > The original question was about a "meal that provides all the essential nutrients the average person needs to stay healthy over the long term" > The simplest, easiest, and the most correct answer is "just eat animals". Stop right there. This is playing switcharoo. You devised a hypothesis that elegantly goes like "healthiest simplest diet is what is closest to your own body". (And that you used as a justification to eat other animals) But hey I guess the closest to your body is other humans. So seeing as you now backtrack and are not suggesting humans eat humans, thankfully you understand that the original question implies some norms about what is acceptable and what is unacceptable to eat even if it is contains all you need. Now you just need to see why growing numbers of people think about eating not only fellow humans but fellow animals who are conscious, feel pain and suffer, especially the ones who grow up for consumption and suffer entire life tortured as unacceptable and you're all set. In addition there is another "little problem" with your argument and that is that humans don't eat through by absorbing stuff like some sort of amoeba. It goes through complex digestive process that extracts some stuff from other stuff. And a bunch of stuff a human body can/should synthesize. Remember healthy eating is also NOT getting stuff you don't need and synthesize. And if you find the closest thing to what's in your body, that'll be a whole lotta stuff you do not need. So no "just pick what's the same as your body" is not the most "simple healthy meal". On more than one level. It's just an excuse to justify a existing taste for meat.
  - hombre_fatal 2y ago

robertlagrant 2y ago

To continue this, the next step is eating fellow life is bad and eating non-life is OK. Just use an Instagram filter to recolour your face away from grey.

throwaway290 2y ago
Define life;)
- robertlagrant 2y ago
  Tricky! I'll go for "Anything your gut is meant to digest that isn't classed as a vitamin."
  - throwaway290 2y ago
    Cool! So unless you think your gut is meant to digest conscious beings that feel pain your previous comment is just empty trolling right?
    - robertlagrant 2y ago
      It's meant to digest anything it can digest. Morally I would disagree with someone who says "eat anything but conscious beings" because that would include eating people who are asleep or passed out, or dead.
      - throwaway290 2y ago
        > It's meant to digest anything it can digest. So you think your gut is meant to digest human flesh? Fun worldview > eat anything but conscious beings "conscious" here means "possessing consciousness" not "conscious right now". > include eating people who are asleep or passed out, or dead The point is we eat what we think is acceptable to eat not just any random thing we can digest. Because we have some norms about what is OK to eat. Most norms say eating humans (dead or alive) is bad. Other norms say eating animals is also bad. QED.

raincole 2y ago

There is no logic in GP. It's just typical bioscience.

throwaway290 2y ago
I think you misspelled "broscience"!
- raincole 2y ago
  I did. Ironically it made the whole comment the opposite of what I meant to say.

nlitened 2y ago

> Just be smart about your diet The original question was about a "meal that provides all the essential nutrients the average person needs to stay healthy over the long term" The simplest, easiest, and the most correct answer is "just eat animals". Of course, one can be "smart" about their diet, spend a lot of time on carefully balancing vegetables, fruit, grains and tofu, while also making sure to consume proper blend of vitamin and mineral pills and doing regular blood tests. BUT that's far from a "single meal", far from "easy" and "simple", and consumes a lot of time and mental capacity which many humans might not have a luxury to allocate in order to be fellows with farm animals, I think.

throwaway290 2y ago
> The original question was about a "meal that provides all the essential nutrients the average person needs to stay healthy over the long term" > The simplest, easiest, and the most correct answer is "just eat animals". Stop right there. This is playing switcharoo. You devised a hypothesis that elegantly goes like "healthiest simplest diet is what is closest to your own body". (And that you used as a justification to eat other animals) But hey I guess the closest to your body is other humans. So seeing as you now backtrack and are not suggesting humans eat humans, thankfully you understand that the original question implies some norms about what is acceptable and what is unacceptable to eat even if it is contains all you need. Now you just need to see why growing numbers of people think about eating not only fellow humans but fellow animals who are conscious, feel pain and suffer, especially the ones who grow up for consumption and suffer entire life tortured as unacceptable and you're all set. In addition there is another "little problem" with your argument and that is that humans don't eat through by absorbing stuff like some sort of amoeba. It goes through complex digestive process that extracts some stuff from other stuff. And a bunch of stuff a human body can/should synthesize. Remember healthy eating is also NOT getting stuff you don't need and synthesize. And if you find the closest thing to what's in your body, that'll be a whole lotta stuff you do not need. So no "just pick what's the same as your body" is not the most "simple healthy meal". On more than one level. It's just an excuse to justify a existing taste for meat.
- hombre_fatal 2y ago