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> ADHD focussed psychotherapy How does anyone even find this? I find there is a lot of signal vs. noise in this realm of care. What I mean, many professionals

> ADHD focussed psychotherapy How does anyone even find this? I find there is a lot of signal vs. noise in this realm of care. What I mean, many professionals list that they treat ADHD, when it's clearly apparent they only list that for marketing purposes. The actual care provided is either antithetical or completely unhelpful -- at least for me. For example, of the many psychotherapist I have seen, I would often be given advice to make a schedule or a To-Do list, which let's be honest, is common fucking sense, and things I already did/still do. If I were perhaps struggling to do something, the advice given would be something like, "Well, you just have to get it done." Wow, can't believe one needs a masters degree for that sophisticated level of wisdom. . .

trod1234 2y ago
Did you mean to say there is a high noise floor with little signal? A lot of spectrum disorder diagnoses are misdiagnoses for other (medical) things. The diagnoses are often used as a catchall when no one can figure it out. For example, chronic heavy metal poisoning mimicks ADHD or ADD diagnoses, blood tests alone are useless because its bound to tissue very quickly after exposure (and bioaccumulates unless a chelator is taken). Toxicity for a number of other substances also presents similarly to these diagnoses (flouride, pfas, microplastics).
- thenaturalist 2y ago
  I fail to see how your recurrent relativization of the existence of ADHD has anything to do with effective psychotherapist treatment of clear symptoms. Also, do you have reliable sources for this poisoning hypothesis?
  - trod1234 2y ago
    Symptoms don't mean what you seem to think they mean. Medical issues related to toxic exposure are medical issues, not something that can be resolved by psychotherapy. See my other post on how to find those reliable sources, or just ask your doctor if this ever happens.
    - thenaturalist 2y ago
      Syptoms in the context of ADHD mean exactly what I think they mean. ADHD is irreversible, it's not something that can be reversed or goes away on its own. There is literature on a link between fetal heavy metal exposure and ADHD development. I can't find anything on neurotoxins "mimicking" ADHD. Again, by the very biological definition of what happens in a brain on ADHD, this is not reversible. It's chronic. Sources: 1: https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/neurotoxicity https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/neurotoxicity 2: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36972880/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36972880/
      - trod1234 2y ago
        You clearly don't know what you are talking about, and you lack the appropriate rigor needed for a proper discussion. Best of luck to you.
thenaturalist 2y ago
I live in Berlin, and the therapist I found was experienced, i.e. very familiar with common patterns and psychological problems (long term depression caused by adverse life effects, masking, rejection sensitivity, executive dysfunction) in late diagnosed adults. Working with that person was invaluable for me. That said, I met them through a personal referral of another ADHD friend and have met several other psychologists before in life with whom I never clicked. Online services should make finding a good therapist easier accessible than ever before. All as I can say is if it doesn't feel right, it isn't. No biggie. Keep looking and seek out another person. You'll know if you found someone with whom it works cause there'll be clear progress early on.

trod1234 2y ago

Did you mean to say there is a high noise floor with little signal? A lot of spectrum disorder diagnoses are misdiagnoses for other (medical) things. The diagnoses are often used as a catchall when no one can figure it out. For example, chronic heavy metal poisoning mimicks ADHD or ADD diagnoses, blood tests alone are useless because its bound to tissue very quickly after exposure (and bioaccumulates unless a chelator is taken). Toxicity for a number of other substances also presents similarly to these diagnoses (flouride, pfas, microplastics).

thenaturalist 2y ago
I fail to see how your recurrent relativization of the existence of ADHD has anything to do with effective psychotherapist treatment of clear symptoms. Also, do you have reliable sources for this poisoning hypothesis?
- trod1234 2y ago
  Symptoms don't mean what you seem to think they mean. Medical issues related to toxic exposure are medical issues, not something that can be resolved by psychotherapy. See my other post on how to find those reliable sources, or just ask your doctor if this ever happens.
  - thenaturalist 2y ago
    Syptoms in the context of ADHD mean exactly what I think they mean. ADHD is irreversible, it's not something that can be reversed or goes away on its own. There is literature on a link between fetal heavy metal exposure and ADHD development. I can't find anything on neurotoxins "mimicking" ADHD. Again, by the very biological definition of what happens in a brain on ADHD, this is not reversible. It's chronic. Sources: 1: https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/neurotoxicity https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/neurotoxicity 2: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36972880/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36972880/
    - trod1234 2y ago
      You clearly don't know what you are talking about, and you lack the appropriate rigor needed for a proper discussion. Best of luck to you.

thenaturalist 2y ago

I live in Berlin, and the therapist I found was experienced, i.e. very familiar with common patterns and psychological problems (long term depression caused by adverse life effects, masking, rejection sensitivity, executive dysfunction) in late diagnosed adults. Working with that person was invaluable for me. That said, I met them through a personal referral of another ADHD friend and have met several other psychologists before in life with whom I never clicked. Online services should make finding a good therapist easier accessible than ever before. All as I can say is if it doesn't feel right, it isn't. No biggie. Keep looking and seek out another person. You'll know if you found someone with whom it works cause there'll be clear progress early on.