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any guesses as to what the "unintended consequences" of this will be? the cookie law gave us endless annoying cookie permission pop ups, I wonder what this will

any guesses as to what the "unintended consequences" of this will be? the cookie law gave us endless annoying cookie permission pop ups, I wonder what this will cause..

blululu 2y ago
This law will mostly just produce a bunch of extra e-waste since lighting charger cables and headphones will need to be thrown out prematurely. Phones will also get slightly thicker but that is not a huge loss.
- redwall_hp 2y ago
  Charging cables seem to have a life of somewhere in the 3-12 month range for the typical user. Sure, I have lightning cables I've been using for six years without issue, but most people abuse them or lose them in a matter of months.
  - blululu 2y ago
    I'm not sure if I have met this hypothetical person throwing four power cables into the trash every year. The chorus of people lamenting a drawer of unused cables would suggest that not throwing cables in the trash every season is the more common issue. Personally I will need to replace 2 connector cables and a pair of headphones when I inevitably need to replace my >5 year old phone, so naturally I am not well disposed toward the the unelected bureaucrats who decided to make me pay an extra $25 and produce a small pile of trash.
rad_gruchalski 2y ago
Unintended consequences will be that we will have drawers full of USB-C cables working with certain devices. Case in point, family member came over before xmas. They wanted to download videos from their dash cam, they asked for a USB-C cable. None of the three cables I shared with them, of various brands, powered their camera. They had to use that “special” USB-C cable that came with their camera.
- ianburrell 2y ago
  USB-C cables are standardized. Nearly everything will charge with standard cable and charger. There is a problem with the cheap devices that will only charge from USB-A chargers not USB-C. The reason is that they don't spend the cents for USB-C charging chip or the resistors to signal that support legacy USB mode to USB-C charger. The problem isn't the cable or charger, the device is defective.
  - rad_gruchalski 2y ago
    Whatever the reason. “But it has a USB-C port”.
- tpmoney 2y ago
  The most likely cause of this is a failure of the device manufacturer to adhere to the USB specs. USB-C (or maybe 3.0 or maybe PD) requires some resistors on the data lines for power negotiation. Even when you just want low level 5V at 0.5A you’re supposed to have some specific resistors to tell the upstream power provider what you want/need. Previous USB power didn’t require this and a bunch of devices that were designed for micro usb were updated to C connectors without revisiting the power circuit. As a result these non-compliant devices can’t pull power from compliant power supplies and computers. Options are to use the “special” cable (which is almost invariably a USB-A to USB-C cable since non-C ports provide 5V at 0.5-1A continuously) or to use “dumb” or otherwise non-compliant power supply (non-PD compatible power banks for example might still supply current on the USB-C out) And yes this is stupidly annoying
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sabareesh 2y ago
It might limit innovation on what is after usb-c . We might get stuck with usb-c for a while.

any guesses as to what the "unintended consequences" of this will be? the cookie law gave us endless annoying cookie permission pop ups, I wonder what this will cause..

blululu 2y ago

This law will mostly just produce a bunch of extra e-waste since lighting charger cables and headphones will need to be thrown out prematurely. Phones will also get slightly thicker but that is not a huge loss.

redwall_hp 2y ago
Charging cables seem to have a life of somewhere in the 3-12 month range for the typical user. Sure, I have lightning cables I've been using for six years without issue, but most people abuse them or lose them in a matter of months.
- blululu 2y ago
  I'm not sure if I have met this hypothetical person throwing four power cables into the trash every year. The chorus of people lamenting a drawer of unused cables would suggest that not throwing cables in the trash every season is the more common issue. Personally I will need to replace 2 connector cables and a pair of headphones when I inevitably need to replace my >5 year old phone, so naturally I am not well disposed toward the the unelected bureaucrats who decided to make me pay an extra $25 and produce a small pile of trash.

rad_gruchalski 2y ago

Unintended consequences will be that we will have drawers full of USB-C cables working with certain devices. Case in point, family member came over before xmas. They wanted to download videos from their dash cam, they asked for a USB-C cable. None of the three cables I shared with them, of various brands, powered their camera. They had to use that “special” USB-C cable that came with their camera.

ianburrell 2y ago
USB-C cables are standardized. Nearly everything will charge with standard cable and charger. There is a problem with the cheap devices that will only charge from USB-A chargers not USB-C. The reason is that they don't spend the cents for USB-C charging chip or the resistors to signal that support legacy USB mode to USB-C charger. The problem isn't the cable or charger, the device is defective.
- rad_gruchalski 2y ago
  Whatever the reason. “But it has a USB-C port”.
tpmoney 2y ago
The most likely cause of this is a failure of the device manufacturer to adhere to the USB specs. USB-C (or maybe 3.0 or maybe PD) requires some resistors on the data lines for power negotiation. Even when you just want low level 5V at 0.5A you’re supposed to have some specific resistors to tell the upstream power provider what you want/need. Previous USB power didn’t require this and a bunch of devices that were designed for micro usb were updated to C connectors without revisiting the power circuit. As a result these non-compliant devices can’t pull power from compliant power supplies and computers. Options are to use the “special” cable (which is almost invariably a USB-A to USB-C cable since non-C ports provide 5V at 0.5-1A continuously) or to use “dumb” or otherwise non-compliant power supply (non-PD compatible power banks for example might still supply current on the USB-C out) And yes this is stupidly annoying
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sabareesh 2y ago

It might limit innovation on what is after usb-c . We might get stuck with usb-c for a while.