> as an industry, we should make a better job in providing solid foundations. Here is the fundamental confusion: programming is not an industry, it is a (ubiq

> as an industry, we should make a better job in providing solid foundations. Here is the fundamental confusion: programming is not an industry, it is a (ubiquitous) type of tooling used by industries. Software itself is insecure in its tooling and in its deployment. So we now have a security industry struggling to improve software. Some software companies are trying to improve but software in the $cloud is just as big a mess as software on work devices and personal devices.