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I regularly use the ocean for surfing, diving and fishing and over my lifetime have seen the growing plastic pollution of our seas. I sincerely salute the effor

I regularly use the ocean for surfing, diving and fishing and over my lifetime have seen the growing plastic pollution of our seas. I sincerely salute the efforts of this team. However, it’s also important to recognize that in a closed system (such as our planet) there is no such thing as “throwing away”. And in a complex system, again such as ours, there is no solving a problem, just moving it or managing it. I’m at a loss as what to do.

bamboozled 2y ago
Incinerator with carbon capture is pretty good?
- schiffern 2y ago
  I would also accept "incinerator to replace [some of the] fossil fuel being burned by the ships anyway." This would also reduce the number of trips to deliver waste to shore, which has further energy and cost benefits. While numbers says that (if done done right) this could be greener, one challenge is that it doesn't feel greener. Decades of recycling PR has skewed our perception Probably you only incinerate the non-recyclable plastic. This is still >50% of the total catch by mass.
rawgabbit 2y ago
Support projects like the paper bottle? Albeit it still has plastic liner, but the majority is paper. Here is a YouTube video of PaBoCo. https://youtu.be/i2f2OrRpFjY https://youtu.be/i2f2OrRpFjY
akudha 2y ago
I can't remember the names of people or the video title now, but I remember watching it few years ago - this family moves to a remote place and builds a cabin there. Their son (25 years old, I think) dies. They live there for a while and decide to leave, spend their older years elsewhere. When they leave, they pack/clean up everything. Their goal is to leave the place as they found it, to the best of their ability. They didn't waste (or pollute) anything to begin with. Of course one can argue they could've left their cabin to someone else etc (maybe they would have, if they found someone, I don't remember all the details now). It was refreshing to see that old couple talk about the impact of their actions on the land, animals around etc, in a society that constantly talks about "legacy". If we don't pollute this much in the first place, maybe we can keep other problems in check
fmajid 2y ago
I saw Costco has shopping bags made from recycled ocean plastic. That's one way to address the problem, even if it is much more expensive than using virgin plastic.

bamboozled 2y ago

Incinerator with carbon capture is pretty good?

schiffern 2y ago
I would also accept "incinerator to replace [some of the] fossil fuel being burned by the ships anyway." This would also reduce the number of trips to deliver waste to shore, which has further energy and cost benefits. While numbers says that (if done done right) this could be greener, one challenge is that it doesn't feel greener. Decades of recycling PR has skewed our perception Probably you only incinerate the non-recyclable plastic. This is still >50% of the total catch by mass.

rawgabbit 2y ago

Support projects like the paper bottle? Albeit it still has plastic liner, but the majority is paper. Here is a YouTube video of PaBoCo. https://youtu.be/i2f2OrRpFjY https://youtu.be/i2f2OrRpFjY

akudha 2y ago

I can't remember the names of people or the video title now, but I remember watching it few years ago - this family moves to a remote place and builds a cabin there. Their son (25 years old, I think) dies. They live there for a while and decide to leave, spend their older years elsewhere. When they leave, they pack/clean up everything. Their goal is to leave the place as they found it, to the best of their ability. They didn't waste (or pollute) anything to begin with. Of course one can argue they could've left their cabin to someone else etc (maybe they would have, if they found someone, I don't remember all the details now). It was refreshing to see that old couple talk about the impact of their actions on the land, animals around etc, in a society that constantly talks about "legacy". If we don't pollute this much in the first place, maybe we can keep other problems in check

fmajid 2y ago

I saw Costco has shopping bags made from recycled ocean plastic. That's one way to address the problem, even if it is much more expensive than using virgin plastic.