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Banning never works.

FollowingTheDao 2y ago
Banning never works...perfectly. But I will take anything over what we have now. Point: We have banned murder, which obviously does not work perfectly.
- MrMcCall 2y ago
  Yes, indeed. Age restrictions definitely lessen the harms young people can easily get into.
- richrichie 2y ago
  Murder was never legal or “allowed”. If you believe that people do not kill because it is illegal, you are on a shaky ground.
  - bdangubic 2y ago
    you should ask yourself a different question - if we legalized murder would this cause uptick in murders or not…? :)
    - richrichie 2y ago
      It has more nuance. The supposition that there are significant number of murderers walking among us that would not murder because it is illegal has no basis. Crime statistics imply that most murders are results of either passion or pre-meditated/ well planned. These have nothing to do with legality of it. We have to have the law for an entirely different reason.
      - bdangubic 2y ago
        Crime statistics are based on what is currently considered a “crime.” you are defeating your own argument… :) there is no nuance - if you made murder legal there would be A TON of murders, it is that simple (I personally might pop a cap in couple of people that have wronged people I love)
        richrichie 2y ago
        > if you made murder legal there would be A TON of murders, This is an assumption. > it is that simple (I personally might pop a cap in couple of people that have wronged people I love) I dont think so. I will bet good money that you don not have what it takes to kill. Most people do not.
        bdangubic 2y ago
        This is an assumption. of course it is an assumption (lets keep it that way :) ) The supposition that there are significant number of murderers walking among us that would not murder because it is illegal has no basis. btw this is an assumption too :) I will bet good money that you don not have what it takes to kill. Most people do not. you are forgetting that humans by their very nature are animals... and also predators. you are thinking about a little more civilized humans, your Mom and Pop in Boise, Idaho. in large parts of this Earth human life is expendable - civilized places have laws in place to ensure this be the case. I am certainly not saying that if you legalize murder we'd all start shooting each other but there is a much better change that happens than that "most people won't have what it takes..."
  - bildung 2y ago
    Of course it was, the trick simply was to declare some groups to not be human.
nkrisc 2y ago
Guess we just ought to legalize murder then, since banning it hasn’t stopped it.
- richrichie 2y ago
  If you believe that people do not kill because it is illegal, you are on a shaky ground mon ami.
  - MrMcCall 2y ago
    It's like the military says, "We can't make you do something, but we can make you wish you had." People understanding the negative consequences of potential actions is a bedrock of society. If a person is not amenable to acting out of compassion for others, they should at least have a fear of the repercussions for being violent towards them.
  - yakshaving_jgt 2y ago
    I believe that likely criminal punishment is absolutely a reason there aren’t as many murders as there could be.
  - nkrisc 2y ago
    I would agree that many (most?) people would not kill even if it was legal. But not all.

Banning never works...perfectly. But I will take anything over what we have now. Point: We have banned murder, which obviously does not work perfectly.

MrMcCall 2y ago
Yes, indeed. Age restrictions definitely lessen the harms young people can easily get into.
richrichie 2y ago
Murder was never legal or “allowed”. If you believe that people do not kill because it is illegal, you are on a shaky ground.
- bdangubic 2y ago
  you should ask yourself a different question - if we legalized murder would this cause uptick in murders or not…? :)
  - richrichie 2y ago
    It has more nuance. The supposition that there are significant number of murderers walking among us that would not murder because it is illegal has no basis. Crime statistics imply that most murders are results of either passion or pre-meditated/ well planned. These have nothing to do with legality of it. We have to have the law for an entirely different reason.
    - bdangubic 2y ago
      Crime statistics are based on what is currently considered a “crime.” you are defeating your own argument… :) there is no nuance - if you made murder legal there would be A TON of murders, it is that simple (I personally might pop a cap in couple of people that have wronged people I love)
      - richrichie 2y ago
        > if you made murder legal there would be A TON of murders, This is an assumption. > it is that simple (I personally might pop a cap in couple of people that have wronged people I love) I dont think so. I will bet good money that you don not have what it takes to kill. Most people do not.
        bdangubic 2y ago
        This is an assumption. of course it is an assumption (lets keep it that way :) ) The supposition that there are significant number of murderers walking among us that would not murder because it is illegal has no basis. btw this is an assumption too :) I will bet good money that you don not have what it takes to kill. Most people do not. you are forgetting that humans by their very nature are animals... and also predators. you are thinking about a little more civilized humans, your Mom and Pop in Boise, Idaho. in large parts of this Earth human life is expendable - civilized places have laws in place to ensure this be the case. I am certainly not saying that if you legalize murder we'd all start shooting each other but there is a much better change that happens than that "most people won't have what it takes..."
- bildung 2y ago
  Of course it was, the trick simply was to declare some groups to not be human.

nkrisc 2y ago

Guess we just ought to legalize murder then, since banning it hasn’t stopped it.

richrichie 2y ago
If you believe that people do not kill because it is illegal, you are on a shaky ground mon ami.
- MrMcCall 2y ago
  It's like the military says, "We can't make you do something, but we can make you wish you had." People understanding the negative consequences of potential actions is a bedrock of society. If a person is not amenable to acting out of compassion for others, they should at least have a fear of the repercussions for being violent towards them.
- yakshaving_jgt 2y ago
  I believe that likely criminal punishment is absolutely a reason there aren’t as many murders as there could be.
- nkrisc 2y ago
  I would agree that many (most?) people would not kill even if it was legal. But not all.