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Tough question because of course they both love and don’t love vaccines! Currently they might be anti-vaxx, earlier they want to inject not only you but your ca

Tough question because of course they both love and don’t love vaccines! Currently they might be anti-vaxx, earlier they want to inject not only you but your cats and dogs and parrots, tomorrow… who knows :)

scarface_74 2y ago
The Covid vaccine didn’t exist until after Trump lost. How could they have been pushing it?
- bdangubic 2y ago
  https://youtube.com/shorts/v_EUa1buffQ?feature=shared https://youtube.com/shorts/v_EUa1buffQ?feature=shared you do realize that even though trump lost there were few congresman and senators that were republican right? and of course the most famous anti-vaxxer is RFK Jr - a Democrat. Democrats were anti-vaxxers before it was cool. Rand Paul was stupid enough to believe by now fully retracted study about the “link” between vaccines and autism
  - scarface_74 2y ago
    Are you really claiming RFK JR - a Trump supporter and the person Trump wants to be the head of Health and Humam Services to be a mainstream Democrat? But yet you dismiss the then Speaker of the House of Representatives? These are the Republican Governors who fought against vaccines https://www.politico.com/news/2021/10/17/governors-covid-vaccine-mandates-approval-516112 https://www.politico.com/news/2021/10/17/governors-covid-vac...
    - bdangubic 2y ago
      you do realize RFK Jr was Democratic PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE IN THIS ELECTION OF 2024? :) you are too funny mate… it was easy to fight the vaccines in late 2021, it just became cool thing politically to rile up MAGA base. all those governors were kissing the top of the needles when that suited them politically
      - scarface_74 2y ago
        He ran as an independent - not a Democrat. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/09/rfk-jr-announces-he-will-run-as-an-independent-candidate-00120604 https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/09/rfk-jr-announces-he... So now the Republican Governors, the former Republican Speaker of the House who was against vaccines in 2015 were all anti-vax, Trump’s presumptive nominee as the Head of Health and Human Services is anti-vax, but it was the Democrats who are anti-vax? Can you name on Democratic governor, Senator or Representative who railed against Covid vaccines after they were approved in December 2020?
        _heimdall 2y ago
        RFK Jr ran as a Democrat until the party blocked the primary process and wouldn't let anyone challenge Biden.
        scarface_74 2y ago
        There was very much a primary process in the Democratic Party and his stated reason for running as an independent from the article I linked to. “ We declare independence from the cynical elites who betray our hope and who amplify our divisions. And finally, we declare independence from the two political parties.”
        _heimdall 2y ago
        What was this primary process you are referring to? They didn't allow debates, Biden didn't take part, and we ended up with a candidate selected by committee rather than by primary vote.
        scarface_74 2y ago
        Debates with who? RFK never tried to get on the ballot as a Democrat. You do remember that Trump also didn’t take part in any of the primary debates either?
- _heimdall 2y ago
  Trump started Warp Speed and was pushing for a vaccine while still in office. At that time many Democratic leaders were on the record calling it Trump's vaccine and implying or directly saying they wouldn't trust it and that any vaccine would have to go through the normal process of safety and efficacy studies before it could be used.
  - scarface_74 2y ago
    You also recall that Trump was trying to rush approval of the vaccine even more than Fauci and the other experts at the FDA https://www.statnews.com/2020/08/27/trump-has-launched-an-all-out-attack-on-the-fda-will-its-scientific-integrity-survive/ https://www.statnews.com/2020/08/27/trump-has-launched-an-al...
    - _heimdall 2y ago
      Sure, though that doesn't really say anything about what others did. If we want to use what Trump says and does as the bar for everyone else, people would be doing very little wrong.
      - scarface_74 2y ago
        I am saying that Democrats didn’t voice a distrust of the scientists, Fauci or the FDA if left to their own devices. Their well founded distrust was of Trump pressuring the FDA to skip their own safe guards
        _heimdall 2y ago
        I'm not sure what that shows though. There are many reasons one party may not voice distrust in the FDA or a particular scientist. It is worth pointing out that plenty of Democrats, and I'll stick with party leadership here, spoke poorly of scientists who broke ranks and didn't follow the pushed narrative. The debate over where the virus came from is a great example, a small number of scientists publicly raised concerns that it was a lab leak and everyone from party leadership to Fauci, the CDC, and the FDA attempted to discredit those individuals with direct statements and pressure on media organizations to do the same.

scarface_74 2y ago

The Covid vaccine didn’t exist until after Trump lost. How could they have been pushing it?

bdangubic 2y ago
https://youtube.com/shorts/v_EUa1buffQ?feature=shared https://youtube.com/shorts/v_EUa1buffQ?feature=shared you do realize that even though trump lost there were few congresman and senators that were republican right? and of course the most famous anti-vaxxer is RFK Jr - a Democrat. Democrats were anti-vaxxers before it was cool. Rand Paul was stupid enough to believe by now fully retracted study about the “link” between vaccines and autism
- scarface_74 2y ago
  Are you really claiming RFK JR - a Trump supporter and the person Trump wants to be the head of Health and Humam Services to be a mainstream Democrat? But yet you dismiss the then Speaker of the House of Representatives? These are the Republican Governors who fought against vaccines https://www.politico.com/news/2021/10/17/governors-covid-vaccine-mandates-approval-516112 https://www.politico.com/news/2021/10/17/governors-covid-vac...
  - bdangubic 2y ago
    you do realize RFK Jr was Democratic PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE IN THIS ELECTION OF 2024? :) you are too funny mate… it was easy to fight the vaccines in late 2021, it just became cool thing politically to rile up MAGA base. all those governors were kissing the top of the needles when that suited them politically
    - scarface_74 2y ago
      He ran as an independent - not a Democrat. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/09/rfk-jr-announces-he-will-run-as-an-independent-candidate-00120604 https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/09/rfk-jr-announces-he... So now the Republican Governors, the former Republican Speaker of the House who was against vaccines in 2015 were all anti-vax, Trump’s presumptive nominee as the Head of Health and Human Services is anti-vax, but it was the Democrats who are anti-vax? Can you name on Democratic governor, Senator or Representative who railed against Covid vaccines after they were approved in December 2020?
      - _heimdall 2y ago
        RFK Jr ran as a Democrat until the party blocked the primary process and wouldn't let anyone challenge Biden.
        scarface_74 2y ago
        There was very much a primary process in the Democratic Party and his stated reason for running as an independent from the article I linked to. “ We declare independence from the cynical elites who betray our hope and who amplify our divisions. And finally, we declare independence from the two political parties.”
        _heimdall 2y ago
        What was this primary process you are referring to? They didn't allow debates, Biden didn't take part, and we ended up with a candidate selected by committee rather than by primary vote.
        scarface_74 2y ago
        Debates with who? RFK never tried to get on the ballot as a Democrat. You do remember that Trump also didn’t take part in any of the primary debates either?
_heimdall 2y ago
Trump started Warp Speed and was pushing for a vaccine while still in office. At that time many Democratic leaders were on the record calling it Trump's vaccine and implying or directly saying they wouldn't trust it and that any vaccine would have to go through the normal process of safety and efficacy studies before it could be used.
- scarface_74 2y ago
  You also recall that Trump was trying to rush approval of the vaccine even more than Fauci and the other experts at the FDA https://www.statnews.com/2020/08/27/trump-has-launched-an-all-out-attack-on-the-fda-will-its-scientific-integrity-survive/ https://www.statnews.com/2020/08/27/trump-has-launched-an-al...
  - _heimdall 2y ago
    Sure, though that doesn't really say anything about what others did. If we want to use what Trump says and does as the bar for everyone else, people would be doing very little wrong.
    - scarface_74 2y ago
      I am saying that Democrats didn’t voice a distrust of the scientists, Fauci or the FDA if left to their own devices. Their well founded distrust was of Trump pressuring the FDA to skip their own safe guards
      - _heimdall 2y ago
        I'm not sure what that shows though. There are many reasons one party may not voice distrust in the FDA or a particular scientist. It is worth pointing out that plenty of Democrats, and I'll stick with party leadership here, spoke poorly of scientists who broke ranks and didn't follow the pushed narrative. The debate over where the virus came from is a great example, a small number of scientists publicly raised concerns that it was a lab leak and everyone from party leadership to Fauci, the CDC, and the FDA attempted to discredit those individuals with direct statements and pressure on media organizations to do the same.