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For those who don't believe you: Biden, Harris, and Pelosi all saying they won't trust any Trump vaccine <https://www.newsweek.com/anti-vaccine-covid-trust-skep

by TMWNN 2y ago

For those who don't believe you: Biden, Harris, and Pelosi all saying they won't trust any Trump vaccine <https://www.newsweek.com/anti-vaccine-covid-trust-skepticism-democrat-politicization-1535559 https://www.newsweek.com/anti-vaccine-covid-trust-skepticism...>

scarface_74 2y ago
Is this not trusting a “Trump vaccine”? > Meanwhile, Nancy Pelosi, Democratic speaker of the United States House of Representatives, has said any vaccine must meet safety standards before being released if it is to be accepted by the public. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/23/gop-voters-vaccines-poll-00117125 https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/23/gop-voters-vaccines... > Among Democratic voters, 76 percent said they “care more about potential health benefits than the potential health risks of vaccines.” But among Republicans, it’s split evenly: 51 percent care more about the potential health risks, while 49 percent care more about the benefits.
- _heimdall 2y ago
  > > Meanwhile, Nancy Pelosi, Democratic speaker of the United States House of Representatives, has said any vaccine must meet safety standards before being released if it is to be accepted by the public. This alone is a big flip in what they ultimately supported though. The Covid vaccine was rushed through with limited, and flawed, studies and didn't meet any existing safety standards. The studies that were done were extremely limited in duration and only tested for the most severe safety issues that may show up within days of getting the vaccine. The studies also didn't cover a broad enough range of ages or preexisting conditions to support a blanket statements that it was safe for everyone to take. It's also worth noting that they never did any meaningful safety studies to validate the idea of taking more than the original one or two shots. Safety of booster shots, which were initially were said to not be required at all, was never studies and the recommendation was based only on the view that the original shots were safe and they weren't aware of reasons why a booster wouldn't be. Its important for me to note here that I'm not even saying whether they did or did not turn out to be safe, only what was studied and how decisions were made.
  - scarface_74 2y ago
    There was no flip flop. It wasn’t Democrats not trusting the scientists, the FDA or the pharmaceutical companies. Trump was putting pressure on the FDA to even skip what they thought was prudent.
    - _heimdall 2y ago
      The FDA did skip what they thought was required for vaccines though. The EUA and safety/efficacy studies done were extremely rushed and pretty damn sloppy, and that doesn't even touch on whether issues with the data were buries by pharmaceutical companies or regulators at the time.

by TMWNN 2y ago

scarface_74 2y ago

Is this not trusting a “Trump vaccine”? > Meanwhile, Nancy Pelosi, Democratic speaker of the United States House of Representatives, has said any vaccine must meet safety standards before being released if it is to be accepted by the public. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/23/gop-voters-vaccines-poll-00117125 https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/23/gop-voters-vaccines... > Among Democratic voters, 76 percent said they “care more about potential health benefits than the potential health risks of vaccines.” But among Republicans, it’s split evenly: 51 percent care more about the potential health risks, while 49 percent care more about the benefits.

_heimdall 2y ago
> > Meanwhile, Nancy Pelosi, Democratic speaker of the United States House of Representatives, has said any vaccine must meet safety standards before being released if it is to be accepted by the public. This alone is a big flip in what they ultimately supported though. The Covid vaccine was rushed through with limited, and flawed, studies and didn't meet any existing safety standards. The studies that were done were extremely limited in duration and only tested for the most severe safety issues that may show up within days of getting the vaccine. The studies also didn't cover a broad enough range of ages or preexisting conditions to support a blanket statements that it was safe for everyone to take. It's also worth noting that they never did any meaningful safety studies to validate the idea of taking more than the original one or two shots. Safety of booster shots, which were initially were said to not be required at all, was never studies and the recommendation was based only on the view that the original shots were safe and they weren't aware of reasons why a booster wouldn't be. Its important for me to note here that I'm not even saying whether they did or did not turn out to be safe, only what was studied and how decisions were made.
- scarface_74 2y ago
  There was no flip flop. It wasn’t Democrats not trusting the scientists, the FDA or the pharmaceutical companies. Trump was putting pressure on the FDA to even skip what they thought was prudent.
  - _heimdall 2y ago
    The FDA did skip what they thought was required for vaccines though. The EUA and safety/efficacy studies done were extremely rushed and pretty damn sloppy, and that doesn't even touch on whether issues with the data were buries by pharmaceutical companies or regulators at the time.