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I'm not sure what you're getting at, do you mind clarifying? For clarity on my end, the american Democratic party was going after big pharma and the Sackler fa

I'm not sure what you're getting at, do you mind clarifying? For clarity on my end, the american Democratic party was going after big pharma and the Sackler family specifically for the opioid epidemic. In comes concerns over Covid (or CoV-2) and the same party completely embraced big pharma and vaccines developed under EUA. Hell, the President tried multiple times in televised speeches to push everyone to get vaccinated for fear of killing the elderly and dying over Christmas holiday.

scarface_74 2y ago
You don’t see the difference between going after the Sackler family for underplaying their part in the opioid crisis and still being in favor of vaccines? Or is it that you don’t see going after gouging American consumers for the same drugs that other countries get a lot cheaper? The first Covid vaccine wasn’t approved until December 11, 2020 after Trump had lost the election and wasn’t available widely until March or April of 2021.
- _heimdall 2y ago
  > You don’t see the difference between going after the Sackler family for underplaying their part in the opioid crisis and still being in favor of vaccines. I didn't say there are no differences, of course there are. I also wasn't talking about all vaccines, or even vaccines at all really. I was trying to point out that just before the pandemic we had Democratic politicians and much of the media demonizing big pharma companies, and just a few months after all of that disappeared and those same companies were being handed billions of dollars, given even more legal liability cover, and were being talked about as saviors of us all. > Or is it that you don’t see going after gouging American consumers for the same drugs that other countries get a lot cheaper? There are some politicians going after this and that's a good thing, I don't see it as the most important problem with big pharma though, and the progress here has been slow to nonexistent. > The first Covid vaccine wasn’t approved until December 11, 2020 after Trump had lost the election and wasn’t available widely until March or April of 2021. Agreed, that's the correct timeline. Trump was still in office when Warp Speed began and he was originally the one pushing for a vaccine. Many Democratic leaders were on the record calling it Trump's vaccine and implying or directly saying they wouldn't trust a vaccine he rushed through the process, effectively calling it a political move to get something out and claim that he fixed it.
  - scarface_74 2y ago
    > I was trying to point out that just before the pandemic we had Democratic politicians and much of the media demonizing big pharma companies, and just a few months after all of that disappeared and those same companies were being handed billions of dollars, You realize that operation Warp Speed was championed by Trump right? Even if that weren’t the case, the company controlled by the Sackler family had nothing to do with the vaccines that came to market. > given even more legal liability cover, and were being talked about as saviors of us all. This was also championed by Trump… And the entire idea about saying that Democratics were going after abuses by Big Pharma was saying they were against medicine is like saying when they were going against the manufacturer of the Pinto they were against cars.
    - _heimdall 2y ago
      > You realize that operation Warp Speed was championed by Trump right? I'm not sure if you read my full comment before replying, I specifically called this out in my last paragraph. Edit: to include that I'm also not supporting Trump or saying he did things well. I'm only making a comparison of the Democratic party leaderships' opinions and statements before and after Biden took office. What was Trump's vaccine and had to go through standard safety tests before they would consider it became Biden's victory with a vaccine rushed through EUA, required for all federal employees, and recommended for everyone including children who were never even studied (unless you consider a test population of 30 statistically significant).
      - scarface_74 2y ago
        Trump was pressuring the FDA to even skip their safe guards and the FDA had to push back. Trump wanted the approvals before the election - two months earlier than it was approved. It was approved before the inauguration. No one thought it was “Biden’s victory”
        _heimdall 2y ago
        I'm not arguing with you regarding Trump, I don't think he handled it well at all. I raised his name only for context around the timing of the Democratic leadership flipping position on the vaccine programs. Biden and his campaign would disagree with you though he frequently spoke highly of the vaccine and his administration's role in it. Prior to the election Biden was one of those calling it Trump's vaccine and raising concerns over rushing it and the safety of it in general.

scarface_74 2y ago

You don’t see the difference between going after the Sackler family for underplaying their part in the opioid crisis and still being in favor of vaccines? Or is it that you don’t see going after gouging American consumers for the same drugs that other countries get a lot cheaper? The first Covid vaccine wasn’t approved until December 11, 2020 after Trump had lost the election and wasn’t available widely until March or April of 2021.

_heimdall 2y ago
> You don’t see the difference between going after the Sackler family for underplaying their part in the opioid crisis and still being in favor of vaccines. I didn't say there are no differences, of course there are. I also wasn't talking about all vaccines, or even vaccines at all really. I was trying to point out that just before the pandemic we had Democratic politicians and much of the media demonizing big pharma companies, and just a few months after all of that disappeared and those same companies were being handed billions of dollars, given even more legal liability cover, and were being talked about as saviors of us all. > Or is it that you don’t see going after gouging American consumers for the same drugs that other countries get a lot cheaper? There are some politicians going after this and that's a good thing, I don't see it as the most important problem with big pharma though, and the progress here has been slow to nonexistent. > The first Covid vaccine wasn’t approved until December 11, 2020 after Trump had lost the election and wasn’t available widely until March or April of 2021. Agreed, that's the correct timeline. Trump was still in office when Warp Speed began and he was originally the one pushing for a vaccine. Many Democratic leaders were on the record calling it Trump's vaccine and implying or directly saying they wouldn't trust a vaccine he rushed through the process, effectively calling it a political move to get something out and claim that he fixed it.
- scarface_74 2y ago
  > I was trying to point out that just before the pandemic we had Democratic politicians and much of the media demonizing big pharma companies, and just a few months after all of that disappeared and those same companies were being handed billions of dollars, You realize that operation Warp Speed was championed by Trump right? Even if that weren’t the case, the company controlled by the Sackler family had nothing to do with the vaccines that came to market. > given even more legal liability cover, and were being talked about as saviors of us all. This was also championed by Trump… And the entire idea about saying that Democratics were going after abuses by Big Pharma was saying they were against medicine is like saying when they were going against the manufacturer of the Pinto they were against cars.
  - _heimdall 2y ago
    > You realize that operation Warp Speed was championed by Trump right? I'm not sure if you read my full comment before replying, I specifically called this out in my last paragraph. Edit: to include that I'm also not supporting Trump or saying he did things well. I'm only making a comparison of the Democratic party leaderships' opinions and statements before and after Biden took office. What was Trump's vaccine and had to go through standard safety tests before they would consider it became Biden's victory with a vaccine rushed through EUA, required for all federal employees, and recommended for everyone including children who were never even studied (unless you consider a test population of 30 statistically significant).
    - scarface_74 2y ago
      Trump was pressuring the FDA to even skip their safe guards and the FDA had to push back. Trump wanted the approvals before the election - two months earlier than it was approved. It was approved before the inauguration. No one thought it was “Biden’s victory”
      - _heimdall 2y ago
        I'm not arguing with you regarding Trump, I don't think he handled it well at all. I raised his name only for context around the timing of the Democratic leadership flipping position on the vaccine programs. Biden and his campaign would disagree with you though he frequently spoke highly of the vaccine and his administration's role in it. Prior to the election Biden was one of those calling it Trump's vaccine and raising concerns over rushing it and the safety of it in general.